Plenum v Throttle bodies

Plenum v Throttle bodies

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AntonyJ

5,254 posts

282 months

Tuesday 7th October 2008
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So what is the thought on this from Elliots site?


rev-erend

21,433 posts

285 months

Wednesday 8th October 2008
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Pointless.

You still have the original manifold under it.. and the throttle butterflies further restrict the air flow (more that a single large butterfly would)..

CrashTD

1,788 posts

205 months

Wednesday 8th October 2008
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Probably about to step out of my depth here but -

Not sure on dimensions but surely 8 small TBs will allow a larger volume of air than a single large one. unless the original TB is massive. Factoring in the fact there are now 8 butterflies obstructing the air-path.

Either way it look like he has knife edged the area where 2 opening touch which is bad for air flow.

With the design is a plenum chamber going on top? If so where is the air feed as I can foresee some issues

Great piece of engineering anyway

spend

12,581 posts

252 months

Wednesday 8th October 2008
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CrashTD said:
..Either way it look like he has knife edged the area where 2 opening touch which is bad for air flow.
Is that a bad thing? I can visualize that you would otherwise be robbing or even sucking up the stale charge from the adjacent port? particularly with the 4365 sequence.

CrashTD

1,788 posts

205 months

Wednesday 8th October 2008
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I was more a general statement referring to knife-edges rather than this specific application.

moving air hitting a knife edge is found to swirl, opposed to a streamlined symmetrical edge, where air would want to accelerate over the edge increasing velocity.

eliot

11,467 posts

255 months

Wednesday 8th October 2008
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Nice bit of engineering, but it looks restrictive to me.

trackcar

6,453 posts

227 months

Wednesday 8th October 2008
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350Matt

3,740 posts

280 months

Wednesday 8th October 2008
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C'mon then Jools what did it pull then?


Matt

AntonyJ

5,254 posts

282 months

Wednesday 8th October 2008
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trackcar said:
So just a plenum on top with TB removed and no AFM ?
What size are the TB holes?
Cool..

Pete500

151 posts

245 months

Thursday 9th October 2008
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The actual pic is from my old RV8. With H404 cam it made 307rwhp. No AMF, Autronic SM2 EMC. The TBs made it more driveable. The lump is standing in my garage as a spare if the LS2 breaks down... biglaugh Per

trackcar

6,453 posts

227 months

Thursday 9th October 2008
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it made 338 on that run breathing in the warm air .. no cold air feed/plenum at that time. butterflies are 47/48mm .. we have several made up in different sizes.

rev-erend

21,433 posts

285 months

Thursday 9th October 2008
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trackcar said:
it made 338 on that run breathing in the warm air .. no cold air feed/plenum at that time. butterflies are 47/48mm .. we have several made up in different sizes.
I guess they are bigger than they look.

THe lower section of the inlet still is the restriction narrowing to around 38mm..

rev-erend

21,433 posts

285 months

Thursday 9th October 2008
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trackcar said:
it made 338 on that run breathing in the warm air .. no cold air feed/plenum at that time. butterflies are 47/48mm .. we have several made up in different sizes.
I guess they are bigger than they look.

THe lower section of the inlet still is the restriction narrowing to around 38mm..

CrashTD

1,788 posts

205 months

Thursday 9th October 2008
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rev-erend said:
THe lower section of the inlet still is the restriction narrowing to around 38mm..
is it not possible that the increasing velocity could actually allow equal if not greater volume of air to pass through?