Seasoned Cermakrome pics?
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daveR6 said:
If your not bothered then why do you persist in asking for conclusive evidence about durability of the product? Instead you will specualate and make assumptions based on zero evidence or facts.
"Cant be bothered", "not a solution for keeping headers looking good".
If you really did some investigation you would understand why paint based systems such as cerakrome cant hold up for substanial periods of time versus the plasma method.
Every product has a shelflife, Zircotec in my books have withstood the longest.
No, is the answer to your question.
When you see people with ceramic coatings that have been promised the earth and the coating looks like crap after a short amount of time, it makes you somewhat jaded. Knowing the problems people have faced with these coatings, why do Zircotec not provide a gallery of pics on their website showing examples of their work (both before AND after use)? Why are the terms of the warranty not detailed on the site either? If I'm expected to part with hundreds of pounds for a product, I don't see why I should chase a company for this info! If Zicotec's product is truly so fantastic, they need to do a better job of proving it."Cant be bothered", "not a solution for keeping headers looking good".
If you really did some investigation you would understand why paint based systems such as cerakrome cant hold up for substanial periods of time versus the plasma method.
Every product has a shelflife, Zircotec in my books have withstood the longest.
No, is the answer to your question.
I need a solution to keep my headers LOOKING good... if Zircotec can't guarantee their product can do that, then I'm not interested.
JontyR said:
The main reason for the use of the ceramic coating is for heat management. The aesthetics are a secondary, but something that we take very seriously, by-product. That said, it will also depend on what material you used for your system, and who did the welding! I for one have turned many manifolds (usually eBay specials) away due to the appalling welding and materials used. The coating will obviously retain a lot more heat than standard, and this will find imperfections!
Seems rather odd to me that you quote the quality/condition of manifolds the coating is applied to regarding your system, with little regard to the possibility that that may be the root of problems with the alternate systems. You also note the drawbacks of an external only coating verses an internal + external coating that you do not offer AFIK, ie raised temps in the metal itself?.I for one have had the water-based internal + external coating for 5years +, and whilst the plain black external doesn't look great I was extremely surprised how well the internal coating has lasted (yes I have looked inside my manifolds
).JontyR said:
Zircotec said:
We know the coating will last many years and we therefore offer a 3 year warranty on our Performance Range of coatings (for road use and 1 year for motorsport). More details of our guarantee are available at http://www.zircotec.com/page/product_guarantee/48. Exclusions include physical damage, use of solvents to clean, spillage of acids; generally it is not in our interest to argue with clients but we will not accept the aforementioned points under warranty.
Regarding discoloration, we do know that Performance White is difficult to keep clean and may change colour in small areas when exposed to very high heat, but this does not affect the thermal performance. We obviously cannot cover cleanliness under warranty and a discoloration due to heat is normal. Regarding the Performance Colours range; we test these to a simulated 100K miles of use at a simulated gas temperature of 900oC; no gross discoloration or fading was noticed but some minor changes in colour may be noticed during normal use.
Regarding discoloration, we do know that Performance White is difficult to keep clean and may change colour in small areas when exposed to very high heat, but this does not affect the thermal performance. We obviously cannot cover cleanliness under warranty and a discoloration due to heat is normal. Regarding the Performance Colours range; we test these to a simulated 100K miles of use at a simulated gas temperature of 900oC; no gross discoloration or fading was noticed but some minor changes in colour may be noticed during normal use.
Do Zircotec offer a coating that replicates the look of polished stainless/chrome? Something similar in appearance to Cermakrome?
ian_uk1975 said:
When you see people with ceramic coatings that have been promised the earth and the coating looks like crap after a short amount of time, it makes you somewhat jaded. Knowing the problems people have faced with these coatings, why do Zircotec not provide a gallery of pics on their website showing examples of their work (both before AND after use)? Why are the terms of the warranty not detailed on the site either? If I'm expected to part with hundreds of pounds for a product, I don't see why I should chase a company for this info! If Zicotec's product is truly so fantastic, they need to do a better job of proving it.
I need a solution to keep my headers LOOKING good... if Zircotec can't guarantee their product can do that, then I'm not interested.
Here it is in a nutshell.I need a solution to keep my headers LOOKING good... if Zircotec can't guarantee their product can do that, then I'm not interested.
If you want your headers to look good for a longer period of time then use Zircotec.
If you want them to look good but without the cost then polish them like your whacking one off.
I think the latter would be better for your mental stimulation.
Edited by daveR6 on Monday 7th March 11:23
daveR6 said:
Here it is in a nutshell.
If you want your headers to look good for a longer period of time then use Zircotec.
If you want them to look good but without the cost then polish them like your whacking one off.
I think the latter would be better for your mental stimulation.
Can't really say much to that, except that you don't sound old enough to drive!If you want your headers to look good for a longer period of time then use Zircotec.
If you want them to look good but without the cost then polish them like your whacking one off.
I think the latter would be better for your mental stimulation.
Edited by daveR6 on Monday 7th March 11:23
You know i mentioned I was getting my exhaust coated... well blow me down if those are not my parts for my Noble (I've designed a single turbo setup)...
They arrived today and have been opened however Im overseas so wont get to see them in the flesh till Saturday, so bloody fantastic to find the pictures on here.
BTW when I was researching what coating to use I found that zircotec actually won best new product award last year which helped me decide... time will tell if they remain looking good but I have heard they will... I decided to use the simplest white coating as colour is not important to me and cost extra lol
They arrived today and have been opened however Im overseas so wont get to see them in the flesh till Saturday, so bloody fantastic to find the pictures on here.
BTW when I was researching what coating to use I found that zircotec actually won best new product award last year which helped me decide... time will tell if they remain looking good but I have heard they will... I decided to use the simplest white coating as colour is not important to me and cost extra lol
andygtt said:
just sent my stainless turbo header pipes and turbo exhaust housing here for coating... purely to keep heat in but if it staying on my parts then it will stay on anything I recon.... trouble is it will be a year before i can report if it stayed on lol
Hi there I'm looking in the direction of Zircotec for my exhausts to reduce engine bay heat and was wondering if you were able to give any feedback on the parts you had coated. Many thanks for any advice.Stuart
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