What other cars do you have?
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StefanVXR8 said:
Unfortunately every "electric" car has a massive carbon footprint that you need to start working on immediately, let alone trying to offset owning a V8 too, and with current pricing they just don't make any financial sense at all.
Not having a dig at you granada203028, I just don't get this electric/hybrid car thing at all.
Stef
Playing the Devil's advocate for a minute, what's not to get about owning a second electric/hybrid? If you only do a few miles everyday to work, or the other half requires a cheap run-around for short distance errands, what's not to like? It's only a couple of pounds to charge overnight for a range of 60 -100 miles. That's REALLY cheap in anyone books. Not having a dig at you granada203028, I just don't get this electric/hybrid car thing at all.
Stef
OK, so the initial cost is steep, but if you do enough miles, it does kinda pay for itself... Even if you do have to sell your soul to own one...!
The problem is you have to do serious miles to recoup the cost over a modest diesel or good economic petrol car, and to be honest an electric car is good for the city and not much else at present.
I'm not totally against electric/hybrid, I find the Vauxhall Ampera and interesting concept and suitable for mid range commuting, but a total electric car with its current range and lack of charging points, good for popping to the shops and back, not for much else, and that's a serious amount of outlay just for that.
I just think sole electric cars have a very, very long way to go yet before they are viable, and they need a serious reduction in costs to be a serious contender to economic fossil fuelled cars.
I'd be genuinly interested in Granada's POV as an owner and what he uses it for though, if he wouldn't mind...........
Stef
I'm not totally against electric/hybrid, I find the Vauxhall Ampera and interesting concept and suitable for mid range commuting, but a total electric car with its current range and lack of charging points, good for popping to the shops and back, not for much else, and that's a serious amount of outlay just for that.
I just think sole electric cars have a very, very long way to go yet before they are viable, and they need a serious reduction in costs to be a serious contender to economic fossil fuelled cars.
I'd be genuinly interested in Granada's POV as an owner and what he uses it for though, if he wouldn't mind...........
Stef
StefanVXR8 said:
The problem is you have to do serious miles to recoup the cost over a modest diesel or good economic petrol car,
I had a similar exchange on another forum. The OP was trying to say that his new Yaris Hybrid made economic sense.Hybrid - £15495 T2 1.0 litre is £9995 So that's £5500 that you need to save over the life of the car.
Hybrid consumption is 81mpg, the 1.0 is 58.9mpg. Assuming 12k miles, you will need an additional 55 gallons or 252 litres each year. At £1.50 per litre that would be £380. £30 tax on top gives an additional spend of £410 per year - or just over 13 years to recoup the £5500 spend.
I have nothing against people buying them, but NOT for economic reasons.
Yes the main problem with electric cars like the Leaf is the capital cost, but as prices fall and investment returns fall, and transport energy gets dearer faster than domestic energy, they become increasingly economic. I paid £17K for a 500 mile ex demo car, 8K off the showroom price and 13K off the list price, government chips in 5K.
I use it for my daily commute Bristol to Newport, round trip 45 miles which requires approx. 2/3 of the 24KWh battery. A part from a slightly sluggish initial get away performance is great particularly in the 20 - 50 Mph range. It has no gears, constant torque up to approx. 30 mph then constant power up to a limited top speed of 93 mph. On the motor way it keeps up fine, I cruise 60 - 70mph. Aircon works well and uses bugger all energy, heater uses more though and it hasn't been cold yet since I have bought it.
Work have agreed to put me in a charging point and give me free electricity which is also tax exempt, as part of corporate green policy.
I bought it to preserve the Monaro, which remains the only right hand drive muscle car ever sold in Britain. I don't want to put it through another winter. Small petrol and diesel cars are pants, I could not accept the come down of a mere 4 cylinder engine but a synchronous motor is different
Build costs and CO2 foot print during manufacture is a good question, and some key materials in the battery and motor's construction are finite world resources. It is the future though, just look at the Testla model S http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/tesla/s which is a close competitor to the VXR8 and not much more expensive USD price vs UK price at least.
I use it for my daily commute Bristol to Newport, round trip 45 miles which requires approx. 2/3 of the 24KWh battery. A part from a slightly sluggish initial get away performance is great particularly in the 20 - 50 Mph range. It has no gears, constant torque up to approx. 30 mph then constant power up to a limited top speed of 93 mph. On the motor way it keeps up fine, I cruise 60 - 70mph. Aircon works well and uses bugger all energy, heater uses more though and it hasn't been cold yet since I have bought it.
Work have agreed to put me in a charging point and give me free electricity which is also tax exempt, as part of corporate green policy.
I bought it to preserve the Monaro, which remains the only right hand drive muscle car ever sold in Britain. I don't want to put it through another winter. Small petrol and diesel cars are pants, I could not accept the come down of a mere 4 cylinder engine but a synchronous motor is different
Build costs and CO2 foot print during manufacture is a good question, and some key materials in the battery and motor's construction are finite world resources. It is the future though, just look at the Testla model S http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/tesla/s which is a close competitor to the VXR8 and not much more expensive USD price vs UK price at least.
Edited by granada203028 on Thursday 5th September 22:04
Chaz9950 said:
Playing the Devil's advocate for a minute, what's not to get about owning a second electric/hybrid? If you only do a few miles everyday to work, or the other half requires a cheap run-around for short distance errands, what's not to like? It's only a couple of pounds to charge overnight for a range of 60 -100 miles. That's REALLY cheap in anyone books.
OK, so the initial cost is steep, but if you do enough miles, it does kinda pay for itself... Even if you do have to sell your soul to own one...!
Er....OK, so the initial cost is steep, but if you do enough miles, it does kinda pay for itself... Even if you do have to sell your soul to own one...!
Might take a while then.
Reminds me of my neighbours, who've spunked over £20,000 on a diesel hatchback, to do a round commute of, wait for it,
3 miles per day! I kid you not.
Obviously they've never heard of DPFs, and are totally kowtowed to the diesel-must-be-economical-innit mantra.
V88Dicky said:
Er....
Might take a while then.
Reminds me of my neighbours, who've spunked over £20,000 on a diesel hatchback, to do a round commute of, wait for it,
3 miles per day! I kid you not.
Obviously they've never heard of DPFs, and are totally kowtowed to the diesel-must-be-economical-innit mantra.
Might take a while then.
Reminds me of my neighbours, who've spunked over £20,000 on a diesel hatchback, to do a round commute of, wait for it,
3 miles per day! I kid you not.
Obviously they've never heard of DPFs, and are totally kowtowed to the diesel-must-be-economical-innit mantra.
I get circa 20mpg from my diesel 
t reversed into today and drove off 
)V88Dicky said:
Chaz9950 said:
Playing the Devil's advocate for a minute, what's not to get about owning a second electric/hybrid? If you only do a few miles everyday to work, or the other half requires a cheap run-around for short distance errands, what's not to like? It's only a couple of pounds to charge overnight for a range of 60 -100 miles. That's REALLY cheap in anyone books.
OK, so the initial cost is steep, but if you do enough miles, it does kinda pay for itself... Even if you do have to sell your soul to own one...!
Er....OK, so the initial cost is steep, but if you do enough miles, it does kinda pay for itself... Even if you do have to sell your soul to own one...!
Might take a while then.
Reminds me of my neighbours, who've spunked over £20,000 on a diesel hatchback, to do a round commute of, wait for it,
3 miles per day! I kid you not.
Obviously they've never heard of DPFs, and are totally kowtowed to the diesel-must-be-economical-innit mantra.
I guess it makes more sense if you live in (or commute to) London, where as far as I understand it, you'll be congestion charge exempt with a hybridor electric car.
Unfortunately, I think this might be the way forward. I do think that a diesel electric hybrid (like the trains - diesel generators driving electric motors) is oa more practical option than pure battery power. But before a viable hydrogen solution is found (which for me is the gold standard for the eco solution) the 'general public' need to invest in the technology, despite it being in its infacy so it continually develops and gets better.
However, for a 1.5 mile journey eacj way, anything other than shoes or a bicycle is overkill!!
luisv8 said:
I have just joined the 2nd car group. 150 quid
The nova saloon(coupe), I have one, 14years of ownership and with 220bhp healthy 2ltr running r1 carbs. 02 isuzu tf pick up for work and trips out with the dog and a Lexus (stop laughing) RX400H, and many customers cars for test driving. Stop laughing at the old mans car I'm 29, it has been the most surprising car I've owned. Fecking quick, does handle well pretty hilarious having lift off oversteer in this thing and no one ever suspects a Lexus not even when you've sent it up way into triple figures were it still remains calm.
monkfish2 said:
Too many!!
69 Dodge charger
76 Bay window camper
1980 Dolly sprint
1970 Triumph 200 estate (with rover V8)
2004 CV8 monaro
2004 SS ute
2005 Ss ute.
1996 Shogun
Needless to say a good number dont work!
69 Dodge charger
76 Bay window camper
1980 Dolly sprint
1970 Triumph 200 estate (with rover V8)
2004 CV8 monaro
2004 SS ute
2005 Ss ute.
1996 Shogun
Needless to say a good number dont work!
I remember seeing your dodge feature in classic american magazine, absolutely love it!
My 8 is my only car, but also I have the use of my other half's 89 mustang GT and our £250 bargain, a 1.6 golf which will be on the road for winter in exchange for the mustang soon
I run a Ford Mondeo ST TDCI 155bhp/45mpg 2.2 litre fwd 4cyl diesel during the week.
A polar opposite to the Holden Monaro 430bhp/18mpg 5.7 litre rwd 8cyl petrol beast that lurks in the garage during the week, but comes out to play most weekends
Other transport options - a mountain bike, various pairs or shoes ....
A polar opposite to the Holden Monaro 430bhp/18mpg 5.7 litre rwd 8cyl petrol beast that lurks in the garage during the week, but comes out to play most weekends
Other transport options - a mountain bike, various pairs or shoes ....
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