HSV Dyno day Oct SRR
Discussion
ARAF said:
It was working fine below about 3k though, wasn't it? If so, then I can't see a problem with moving it to Mf. If it shouldn't be used, then £300 to transport it up there could be money well spent. 
It's a lot better to find out now, than after a catastrophic failure. Shame I didn't get chance to speak to you after the run. I'm guessing you were gutted, but you didn't show it. Hopefully it's an easy fix.
Don't have a problem driving it to monkfish, it's having the time to do it, can't get any time off work now till next year, however I don't start work till 12:30, would depend on a.how long it would take to diagnose and b. what time he will be there from.It's a lot better to find out now, than after a catastrophic failure. Shame I didn't get chance to speak to you after the run. I'm guessing you were gutted, but you didn't show it. Hopefully it's an easy fix.
GaryNoGrip said:
Don't have a problem driving it to monkfish, it's having the time to do it, can't get any time off work now till next year, however I don't start work till 12:30, would depend on a.how long it would take to diagnose and b. what time he will be there from.
sarah's in the same boat but at least this year the chrismas falls on her working days (she's part time now!) and we're looking forward to Christmas pressure overtime! (she isn't I am 
)stigmundfreud said:
I think us NA lads will still show you lot a thing or two, ok headline figures might be lower on the dyno but 500NA is better than 600FI! Its like empty calories FI is
It could only be in your world or Richards where 500 is better than 600.(Unless of course its money you owe then I'd agree)
So you guys cobble together the best emissions compliant car and let's have a see
GaryNoGrip said:
Don't have a problem driving it to monkfish, it's having the time to do it, can't get any time off work now till next year, however I don't start work till 12:30, would depend on a.how long it would take to diagnose and b. what time he will be there from.
They have loan cars 
Xpuffin said:
stigmundfreud said:
I think us NA lads will still show you lot a thing or two, ok headline figures might be lower on the dyno but 500NA is better than 600FI! Its like empty calories FI is
It could only be in your world or Richards where 500 is better than 600.(Unless of course its money you owe then I'd agree)
So you guys cobble together the best emissions compliant car and let's have a see
Gary H 2008 said:
LOL, you've seen the results - Still in Delhi so can't post the RW...and the Caddy Racing lifters were on your recommendation so it if it goes pop, it's down to you, OK?
Mine is the same motor, same lifters, done 7k, no pop yet.........However my baby cam gives up before then. If had had your setup I would have to know!!!Post up when you get back. Have a good trip Mate.
Wyld Stallyn said:
That Sounds Expensive 
Would I feel the difference..?
Who said I wasn't Happy...
I AM Happy
...Just curious about what could be / can be done..?
Fast intake and fuel rails (look good too). So my rec is 3.91 diff, FAST and then heads if you can afford them. NB if you choose your Fast for the existing cathedral ports, you cant then go for ls3 sq. port heads later unless you swap the fast too.Would I feel the difference..?
Who said I wasn't Happy...
I AM Happy
...Just curious about what could be / can be done..? Xpuffin said:
stigmundfreud said:
I think us NA lads will still show you lot a thing or two, ok headline figures might be lower on the dyno but 500NA is better than 600FI! Its like empty calories FI is
It could only be in your world or Richards where 500 is better than 600.(Unless of course its money you owe then I'd agree)
So you guys cobble together the best emissions compliant car and let's have a see
It takes at least 100bhp to get the fat VXR8's moving so we're evenstigmundfreud said:
007 VXR said:
stigmundfreud said:
S800VXR said:
FI FTW!
Just to stir Richard!
I think us NA lads will still show you lot a thing or two, ok headline figures might be lower on the dyno but 500NA is better than 600FI! Its like empty calories FI isJust to stir Richard!
RichieSlow said:
I'm sure that Roger, with his limited experience of engine building, is very grateful for the ability to call on the wisdom of the internet experts when someone has a problem.
Or not, perhaps.
I'm sure he does at times. I work in an extremely specialised field that I wouldn't expect many to understand but sometimes a more innocent set of eyes spots the problem. Anyway should we shut down the internet so that we don't discuss things? "Do a search its been said before" etc?Or not, perhaps.
Edited by RichieSlow on Tuesday 21st October 09:12
Richard got a little out of shape yesterday but what he is saying about FI onto an NA car is fundamentally right too, its a compromise doesn't mean what MF or WP do is crap. Look at the new hellcat, reduced swept capacity, lowered compression, fully forged = built for NA. That's what Richards point is, that stock engines with a blower would be capable of more if not just a bolt on, but the counter is the proof at how many are running at the 600+ mark without problems but they will be closer to the envelope than an LS9 running 630.
Also whilst none of us have ever built anywhere near the number of engines Roger has (and no ones calling his skill to question!) some of us have been burnt enough by other tuners (not MF just to be clear or WP) to have taken time to learn from the ground up the art of tuning, fueling, timing and the associated issues. Probably within a few minutes of each post the direction was moved from fuel to suspect of Knock sensors (which was probably always rogers guess first)
It got heated with Richard but are you wanting the rest of us to shut up? Its not possible to tell if you edited your post to stop yourself from being banned
MyM8V8 said:
stigmundfreud said:
007 VXR said:
stigmundfreud said:
S800VXR said:
FI FTW!
Just to stir Richard!
I think us NA lads will still show you lot a thing or two, ok headline figures might be lower on the dyno but 500NA is better than 600FI! Its like empty calories FI isJust to stir Richard!
Of course there is the small capacity advantage which means with a few subtle mods I will be very emissions compliant but over the 600 mark without batting an eye. My advantage though is weight and aero so not possible to really compare apples.stigmundfreud said:
MyM8V8 said:
stigmundfreud said:
007 VXR said:
stigmundfreud said:
S800VXR said:
FI FTW!
Just to stir Richard!
I think us NA lads will still show you lot a thing or two, ok headline figures might be lower on the dyno but 500NA is better than 600FI! Its like empty calories FI isJust to stir Richard!
Of course there is the small capacity advantage which means with a few subtle mods I will be very emissions compliant but over the 600 mark without batting an eye. My advantage though is weight and aero so not possible to really compare apples.stigmundfreud said:
MyM8V8 said:
stigmundfreud said:
007 VXR said:
stigmundfreud said:
S800VXR said:
FI FTW!
Just to stir Richard!
I think us NA lads will still show you lot a thing or two, ok headline figures might be lower on the dyno but 500NA is better than 600FI! Its like empty calories FI isJust to stir Richard!
Of course there is the small capacity advantage which means with a few subtle mods I will be very emissions compliant but over the 600 mark without batting an eye. My advantage though is weight and aero so not possible to really compare apples.stigmundfreud said:
I'm sure he does at times. I work in an extremely specialised field that I wouldn't expect many to understand but sometimes a more innocent set of eyes spots the problem. Anyway should we shut down the internet so that we don't discuss things? "Do a search its been said before" etc?
Richard got a little out of shape yesterday but what he is saying about FI onto an NA car is fundamentally right too, its a compromise doesn't mean what MF or WP do is crap. Look at the new hellcat, reduced swept capacity, lowered compression, fully forged = built for NA. That's what Richards point is, that stock engines with a blower would be capable of more if not just a bolt on, but the counter is the proof at how many are running at the 600+ mark without problems but they will be closer to the envelope than an LS9 running 630.
Also whilst none of us have ever built anywhere near the number of engines Roger has (and no ones calling his skill to question!) some of us have been burnt enough by other tuners (not MF just to be clear or WP) to have taken time to learn from the ground up the art of tuning, fueling, timing and the associated issues. Probably within a few minutes of each post the direction was moved from fuel to suspect of Knock sensors (which was probably always rogers guess first)
It got heated with Richard but are you wanting the rest of us to shut up? Its not possible to tell if you edited your post to stop yourself from being banned
Actually, I was acting in everybody's best interests. No tuner should have his integrity questioned on here. Maybe you should spend a few days away from here so that the arguments can die down. Remember, I don't answer to you.Richard got a little out of shape yesterday but what he is saying about FI onto an NA car is fundamentally right too, its a compromise doesn't mean what MF or WP do is crap. Look at the new hellcat, reduced swept capacity, lowered compression, fully forged = built for NA. That's what Richards point is, that stock engines with a blower would be capable of more if not just a bolt on, but the counter is the proof at how many are running at the 600+ mark without problems but they will be closer to the envelope than an LS9 running 630.
Also whilst none of us have ever built anywhere near the number of engines Roger has (and no ones calling his skill to question!) some of us have been burnt enough by other tuners (not MF just to be clear or WP) to have taken time to learn from the ground up the art of tuning, fueling, timing and the associated issues. Probably within a few minutes of each post the direction was moved from fuel to suspect of Knock sensors (which was probably always rogers guess first)
It got heated with Richard but are you wanting the rest of us to shut up? Its not possible to tell if you edited your post to stop yourself from being banned
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