Are the superchargers any good?

Are the superchargers any good?

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GaryNoGrip

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174 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Just out of interest not anywhere close to even affording to do anything yet

007 VXR

64,187 posts

186 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Sell a family member in to slavery and go buy one biggrin

stevieturbo

17,229 posts

246 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Is it a generic question or about a specific model ?

let's face it, any form of boost is good !

GaryNoGrip

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Sunday 31st August 2014
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Sorry was supposed to say 'are these' fing iPhone!

stevieturbo

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Sunday 31st August 2014
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GaryNoGrip said:
Sorry was supposed to say 'are these' fing iPhone!
That one is a Vortech, as to which specific model harder to say, but it is probably a tiny one.

And yes they are very good. But it depends what sort of power you want, sort of power delivery etc and of course the actual quality of the it used.

ringram

14,700 posts

247 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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They are better than the valley ones IMO.

stevieturbo

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Sunday 31st August 2014
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ringram said:
They are better than the valley ones IMO.
Better is relative.

If you want low rpm torque, dont rev hard particularly often and are only looking for mild increases, then the valley style despite their hot air problems is still probably the best option.

If you're looking for a bit more, enjoy revving the engine when driving hard ( not talking silly rpm's or anything ), like nice efficient cool air via an intercooler and lots of room to grow if you buy the right unit, then a centrifugal is a very good option and certainly better than the valley style Rootes blowers.

ringram

14,700 posts

247 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Yeah better as in OEM is traction limited anyway, so you might as well push power up the top end instead of the bottom..

wormus

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202 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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ringram said:
Yeah better as in OEM is traction limited anyway, so you might as well push power up the top end instead of the bottom..
absolute tosh, I have around 620WHP from a PD blower and on the road it works great. I'd need around 9 litres NA to achieve the same result and with modest intervention from RLTC I can put the whole lot down in the dry from 2000 rpm. What's not to like?

I will get a chiller though as heat soak is a problem in summer even off boost.

ringram

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247 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Whats tosh? Limited traction OEM? Have you ever been to the drag strip?

Anyway you need to come to the track or TR etc otherwise its all irrelevant.
Sitting your car on your driveway and disputing facts without proving them is pointless.

wormus

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Sunday 31st August 2014
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ringram said:
Whats tosh? Limited traction OEM? Have you ever been to the drag strip?

Anyway you need to come to the track or TR etc otherwise its all irrelevant.
Sitting your car on your driveway and disputing facts without proving them is pointless.
I don't need to prove anything, I blew my last engine up at VMax and cannot afford to do it again. I'm happy with it as it is and you telling people that PD blowers are traction limited is incorrect. I bet your NA ditch pump is ok over the quarter but a Golf R would annihilate it in 90% of situations, does that mean you'd rather own one?

Edited by wormus on Sunday 31st August 19:10

stevieturbo

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246 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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If it wasnt traction limited...there'd be no need for traction control lol

ringram

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Sunday 31st August 2014
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Indeed, to try and say otherwise is insanity.

wormus

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Sunday 31st August 2014
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stevieturbo said:
If it wasnt traction limited...there'd be no need for traction control lol
in my case it's a safety net, I'm sure you've experienced 100mph wheel spin and know it's not fun? With FI you can step over the line of traction but you don't need it with NA. I will admit something like Arnie's would be too much for the road but 620WHP is very usable day to day.

stevieturbo

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wormus said:
in my case it's a safety net, I'm sure you've experienced 100mph wheel spin and know it's not fun? With FI you can step over the line of traction but you don't need it with NA. I will admit something like Arnie's would be too much for the road but 620WHP is very usable day to day.
I've experienced 180+ wheelspin and no it isnt particularly fun.

And I'm fully aware mine is traction limited.

I'd agree that 600hp is pretty good all round, but the question is of how that power and torque is delivered as to how usable and safe it might be for the road.

N/A, Rootes, Centri and turbo will all produce different road manners within that same power figure and can all be managed differently.
Rootes with that torque will most likely suffer the worst traction issues on the street at normal legal speeds simple because it has the potential to push more torque ( if the driver puts their foot down of course )

But none of that is particularly relevant to the OP's question.

But to say when pushing decent power numbers the car will not be traction limited..is just wrong. At almost all legal speeds on the road, breaking traction will not be difficult at all. Some will be worse than others though.
It doesnt make them in any way bad though...just not so safe in the wrong hands.

wormus

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202 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Yes, always been a Mad Max fan so it had to be Rootes. To answer the OP's question, yes blowers are good fun and as a simple bolt on are hard to beat. When you've finished you can take them off and get your money back. Go for more power and it gets much more complicated !

GaryNoGrip

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174 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Wish I could edit my thread subject, just really wanted to know if that supercharger is any good as it's half the price of the ones most of you lot have, if I keep the ute eventually I will want more power and this is more affordable to me, or would I be better off staying n/a?

007 VXR

64,187 posts

186 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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GaryNoGrip said:
Wish I could edit my thread subject, just really wanted to know if that supercharger is any good as it's half the price of the ones most of you lot have, if I keep the ute eventually I will want more power and this is more affordable to me, or would I be better off staying n/a?
The easy way to get an answer is go in someones S/C car wink

H5V VE

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202 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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I think that the bottom line is, yes, its good. However it delivers its power in a different way to the PD ones that most have.

I happen to have both types - a PD on the VXR8 and a centri on the GTS and both are very effective albeit different - its a matter of personal preference as to which you prefer I guess. Personally I prefer the power delivery of the PD.

The centris were very popular back in the day on the VT's so cant be all bad. Behold81 has fitted one to his GTS as well - by choice - so no doubt can give you his view on a centri.

At some point, feel free to pop up the M3 and you are welcome to see the 2 in action.

007 VXR

64,187 posts

186 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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PD is alot better if you change the cam at the same time imho biggrin