Surging

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mfp4073

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1,945 posts

174 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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I have noticed that at low speed say below 30 mph my Monaro has a definite surge and seems hesitant. It then clears itself further up the rev range. When you slow down as in coming to a stop it starts to surge again. There are no fault codes showing,and the spark plugs and leads seem in order and they are not that old anyway.
I'm thinking 02 sensor's or maybe the tune is out!

Any ideas?

regards John

KMud

2,924 posts

156 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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What are you running?

For what it's worth, I think I've eliminated all surging on mine (dangerous to say that out loud) through a combination of accurate VE, and the ECT/IAT eq modifiers ringram recently turned me on to.

e: if you're running a cam people often advocate smoothing the spark table around the relevant area...I still haven't sorted my spark table though!

Edited by KMud on Sunday 31st August 17:59

ringram

14,700 posts

248 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Is it stock?
If so something is probably bust..

If not look to the tune as above. You need to log to see whats up.

Loads of reasons why it will do that. Timing is where to start to look.
Assuming your airflow tables are 100% ok...

Summary is logging FTW

mfp4073

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1,945 posts

174 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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I forgot to mention my Monaro is a 5.7 VZ model. It has headers,sport cats, cat back ,cold air and a Wortec re-map.
As there is a problem I wonder if a code reader will help? even though the engine management light has not illuminated yet. Failing that how else can I check things out.

Thanks again John

stigmundfreud

22,454 posts

210 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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unplug the maf and see what happens

mfp4073

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174 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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stigmundfreud said:
unplug the maf and see what happens
OK will do tomorrow...I take it I will disconnect it then run the engine?
Will this reset the MAF?

regards john

ringram

14,700 posts

248 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Yeah if it was fine before, MAF is a possible culprit.

Another reason to dump smile


stigmundfreud

22,454 posts

210 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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before you do, i'd check whether your IAT is taken from the MAF or elsewhere

its a shame only chat about tyre brands goes on now as this was once a readily discussed issue but alas the mists of time I can't remember. I would say do a search but I hate it when people do that and the pistonheads search function is ste




SturdyHSV

10,094 posts

167 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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stigmundfreud said:
before you do, i'd check whether your IAT is taken from the MAF or elsewhere
Certainly on the LS2s the IAT is taken from the MAF. Presumably it's the same on the 5.7. EDIT: It's not the same, it's separate, ignore me!

Edited by SturdyHSV on Monday 1st September 09:56

ringram

14,700 posts

248 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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Nope, LS1 ECU has a separate IAT
E40+ was integrated into MAF

SturdyHSV

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167 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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ringram said:
Nope, LS1 ECU has a separate IAT
E40+ was integrated into MAF
Ahh, progress rolleyes

M11 MFP

687 posts

193 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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SturdyHSV said:
ringram said:
Nope, LS1 ECU has a separate IAT
E40+ was integrated into MAF
Ahh, progress rolleyes
Are you sure? The op has a VZ, which whilst a LS1b ecu, has an 85mm MAF and integrated IAT bulb. I may however be mistaken.

ARAF

20,759 posts

223 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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I've always found that sort of surging to be the result of a split rubber or other air leak on the inlet side, rather than electronic component failure.

SturdyHSV

10,094 posts

167 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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ARAF said:
I've always found that sort of surging to be the result of a split rubber or other air leak on the inlet side

mfp4073

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1,945 posts

174 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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I think I've fixed it!!!

I removed all the pipe work from the throttle body to the VCM air filter housing. I then cleaned everything up, except the MAF which was very clean inside anyway.
All was put back together and given a test drive with the MAF disconnected. The car ran fine with no apparent issues. I reconnected the MAF and went for a second test drive, again the car was fine with no surging.
So hopefully it was probably an air leak.Time will tell.
Thanks to Roger from MF for the tip.

Regards John

ringram

14,700 posts

248 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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M11 MFP said:
Are you sure? The op has a VZ, which whilst a LS1b ecu, has an 85mm MAF and integrated IAT bulb. I may however be mistaken.
You could be right there smile

mfp4073

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1,945 posts

174 months

Monday 8th September 2014
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Yes my car has started to surge again, very slight but still there.
It seems to come in at around 1500rpm. I have also noticed when I stop at a junction the engine continues to hold the revs for a second or two before it settles down.
would a diagnostic tune show up any faults? still no fault codes shown as yet.

Regards john

ringram

14,700 posts

248 months

Monday 8th September 2014
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ringram said:
You need to log to see whats up...

Summary is logging FTW