Sale or Return issue with a motor trader,

[neiljohnson]

Out if intrest if Brutus was sold via finance is there some sort of comeback on the finance company as the dealer has sold a car that they didn't own???
Does anyone know where the car is now? If I was the new owner I would be seriously unimpressed & genuinely worried about the whole situation.

[preciousmetal]

neiljohnson said:

Out if intrest if Brutus was sold via finance is there some sort of comeback on the finance company as the dealer has sold a car that they didn't own???
Does anyone know where the car is now? If I was the new owner I would be seriously unimpressed & genuinely worried about the whole situation.

problem is new owner has done nothing wrong and if bought in good faith, no one can get the car back off them. the problem is with the SOR agreement. sounds wrong but that's the facts. the buyer is an innocent 3rd party

[Tattoogirl]

There may be one way the new owner could help if he paid any of the transaction by credit card. If he disputed the transaction and the bank agree with his case he will get all money back then nost could let him keep the dealers commission for his trouble? I'm not sure how the bank would view it, but may be an avenue to try if the buyer comes forward at any point. Some debit cards also have some protection.

[Lost soul]

preciousmetal said:

[problem is new owner has done nothing wrong and if bought in good faith, no one can get the car back off them. the problem is with the SOR agreement. sounds wrong but that's the facts. the buyer is an innocent 3rd party

But there are threads on here about someone buying a car and then finding out its stolen and the police taking the car away , surely this is the same thing ?

[MyM8V8]

Lost soul said:

preciousmetal said:

[problem is new owner has done nothing wrong and if bought in good faith, no one can get the car back off them. the problem is with the SOR agreement. sounds wrong but that's the facts. the buyer is an innocent 3rd party

But there are threads on here about someone buying a car and then finding out its stolen and the police taking the car away , surely this is the same thing ?

Not the case, because title in the goods was passed over in the agreement with the previous cars owner and the broker. The previous owner simply has not received the proceeds. IMHO of course.

[ARAF]

Lost soul said:

preciousmetal said:

[problem is new owner has done nothing wrong and if bought in good faith, no one can get the car back off them. the problem is with the SOR agreement. sounds wrong but that's the facts. the buyer is an innocent 3rd party

But there are threads on here about someone buying a car and then finding out its stolen and the police taking the car away , surely this is the same thing ?

This is one reason why cars from dealers are sold at a premium. Ownership passes to the new owner. Same goes for cars under HP or credit agreements. It is the dealer that is liable, not the new owner.

[preciousmetal]

ARAF said:

Lost soul said:

preciousmetal said:

[problem is new owner has done nothing wrong and if bought in good faith, no one can get the car back off them. the problem is with the SOR agreement. sounds wrong but that's the facts. the buyer is an innocent 3rd party

But there are threads on here about someone buying a car and then finding out its stolen and the police taking the car away , surely this is the same thing ?

This is one reason why cars from dealers are sold at a premium. Ownership passes to the new owner. Same goes for cars under HP or credit agreements. It is the dealer that is liable, not the new owner.

yes, if its stolen and or recovered yes police can take car away.

but if its bought in good faith from a dealer, whether car has not been paid for by dealer on SOR or finance not paid off, the buyer is protected as long as they paid balance in full in good faith. but private to private sale is different. debts on cars cannot transfer from trade to private so private buyers are protected buying from a dealer unlike private to private sales

[preciousmetal]

Tattoogirl said:

There may be one way the new owner could help if he paid any of the transaction by credit card. If he disputed the transaction and the bank agree with his case he will get all money back then nost could let him keep the dealers commission for his trouble? I'm not sure how the bank would view it, but may be an avenue to try if the buyer comes forward at any point. Some debit cards also have some protection.

good point, worth looking into if can find new owner

[Lost soul]

preciousmetal said:

ARAF said:

Lost soul said:

preciousmetal said:

[problem is new owner has done nothing wrong and if bought in good faith, no one can get the car back off them. the problem is with the SOR agreement. sounds wrong but that's the facts. the buyer is an innocent 3rd party

But there are threads on here about someone buying a car and then finding out its stolen and the police taking the car away , surely this is the same thing ?

This is one reason why cars from dealers are sold at a premium. Ownership passes to the new owner. Same goes for cars under HP or credit agreements. It is the dealer that is liable, not the new owner.

yes, if its stolen and or recovered yes police can take car away.

but if its bought in good faith from a dealer, whether car has not been paid for by dealer on SOR or finance not paid off, the buyer is protected as long as they paid balance in full in good faith. but private to private sale is different. debts on cars cannot transfer from trade to private so private buyers are protected buying from a dealer unlike private to private sales

there was a thread on here this week about a guy who purchased a car from a dealer that ended up being stolen and the police took it off him , surely until the legit owner is paid the car is now stolen ?

[preciousmetal]

Lost soul said:

preciousmetal said:

ARAF said:

Lost soul said:

preciousmetal said:

[problem is new owner has done nothing wrong and if bought in good faith, no one can get the car back off them. the problem is with the SOR agreement. sounds wrong but that's the facts. the buyer is an innocent 3rd party

But there are threads on here about someone buying a car and then finding out its stolen and the police taking the car away , surely this is the same thing ?

This is one reason why cars from dealers are sold at a premium. Ownership passes to the new owner. Same goes for cars under HP or credit agreements. It is the dealer that is liable, not the new owner.

yes, if its stolen and or recovered yes police can take car away.

but if its bought in good faith from a dealer, whether car has not been paid for by dealer on SOR or finance not paid off, the buyer is protected as long as they paid balance in full in good faith. but private to private sale is different. debts on cars cannot transfer from trade to private so private buyers are protected buying from a dealer unlike private to private sales

there was a thread on here this week about a guy who purchased a car from a dealer that ended up being stolen and the police took it off him , surely until the legit owner is paid the car is now stolen ?

if car is a ringer ie stolen identity the car can be taken by authorities no matter who owns it or sold it, as its illegal non genuine vehicle ie its a car that doesnt exist if dodgy chassis no.s and its a clone vehicle

[preciousmetal]

if car is a ringer ie stolen identity the car can be taken by authorities no matter who owns it or sold it, as its illegal non genuine vehicle ie its a car that doesnt exist if dodgy chassis no.s and its a clone vehicle

Edited by preciousmetal on Tuesday 16th September 14:03

[MikeyP247]

SturdyHSV said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/motoring/article-119034...

Got a spare car and a mate who does vinyl?

No (plenty of old knackers on eBay though) and yes

[V8HSV600HP]

dsmith1990 said:

Get reporting their ads on AutoTrader and PH!

Does anyone know the owner of the VXR8 Bathurst? Monkfish or Walkinshaw could know the owner and warn them?

that car is now not on ebay or PH or auto trader. I wonder if the owner has had words wit this scumbag????

and I am wondering if this was the same car as in this youtube vid.

http://youtu.be/QK-79dlGMgs

I seem to think this is the same reg..FN59KBV

Can anyone now shed any light on things..maybe this scumbag is now craping his pants

[jas xjr]

They are still listing cars on eBay

[stigmundfreud]

MikeyP247 said:

SturdyHSV said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/motoring/article-119034...

Got a spare car and a mate who does vinyl?

No (plenty of old knackers on eBay though) and yes

that's sadly a typical experience I had with Jaguar. The most unhelpful least good will people around. They wouldn't know customer service if they were given £1bn and told to give it all to charity. They really are a piss poor company and why I wont buy from them or deal with them again (big loss I know). I will have another jag but not a single penny to the dealer network for anything

[Tattooboy]

Nice to see PH has taken notice of a very nicely worded request

Edited by Tattooboy on Friday 19th September 13:04

[MyM8V8]

stigmundfreud said:

MikeyP247 said:

SturdyHSV said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/motoring/article-119034...

Got a spare car and a mate who does vinyl?

No (plenty of old knackers on eBay though) and yes

that's sadly a typical experience I had with Jaguar. The most unhelpful least good will people around. They wouldn't know customer service if they were given £1bn and told to give it all to charity. They really are a piss poor company and why I wont buy from them or deal with them again (big loss I know). I will have another jag but not a single penny to the dealer network for anything

I told you so before you bought it!

[stigmundfreud]

I know but I wanted to cosset my piles whilst transcontinental driving, brilliant car, service that makes nPower look good

[MyM8V8]

stigmundfreud said:

I know but I wanted to cosset my piles whilst transcontinental driving, brilliant car, service that makes nPower look good

You mean the piles in your wallet??

[V8HSV600HP]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=5643433303...

This VXR8 Bathurst was for sale with this snake. Saw it on ebay It disappeared early last week. Car seems to be for sale at a Essex Vauxhall dealership now. Maybe the seller realised he was dealing with a shark. Maybe took the car back and drove it away. Maybe he read what we were writing here..

Good for him.