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Whilst i agree in principle with you guys regarding same dyno same day etc, in practice keeping all this data in separate sheets then trying to do basic trend analysis over time becomes next to impossible. The beauty of having it all in one place is that then you can analyse the data how you want. For example, after the SSR day, I will provide graphs for just those that run that day.
In fact, according to all your guys logic about same dyno, same day, only my results are valid for comparing anything as the two runs were less than 15 minutes apart and the car did not even leave the rollers, it was just remapped between runs.
The thing is that this is not an exact science due to far too many variables to account for, so lets just see how this goes, and as I said, add extra columns as you see fit to help make the data captured more fit for purpose
In fact, according to all your guys logic about same dyno, same day, only my results are valid for comparing anything as the two runs were less than 15 minutes apart and the car did not even leave the rollers, it was just remapped between runs.
The thing is that this is not an exact science due to far too many variables to account for, so lets just see how this goes, and as I said, add extra columns as you see fit to help make the data captured more fit for purpose
R8VXF said:
In fact, according to all your guys logic about same dyno, same day, only my results are valid for comparing anything as the two runs were less than 15 minutes apart and the car did not even leave the rollers, it was just remapped between runs.
That's exactly what a dyno is for. As a bit of fun, it's a good exercise, but you couldn't use it to publish a science paper.
ARAF said:
R8VXF said:
In fact, according to all your guys logic about same dyno, same day, only my results are valid for comparing anything as the two runs were less than 15 minutes apart and the car did not even leave the rollers, it was just remapped between runs.
That's exactly what a dyno is for. As a bit of fun, it's a good exercise, but you couldn't use it to publish a science paper.
This is basically a bragging rights exercise at the end of the day with some useful info on how different mods can affect the cars power output.
R8VXF said:
Whilst i agree in principle with you guys regarding same dyno same day etc, in practice keeping all this data in separate sheets then trying to do basic trend analysis over time becomes next to impossible. The beauty of having it all in one place is that then you can analyse the data how you want. For example, after the SSR day, I will provide graphs for just those that run that day.
In fact, according to all your guys logic about same dyno, same day, only my results are valid for comparing anything as the two runs were less than 15 minutes apart and the car did not even leave the rollers, it was just remapped between runs.
The thing is that this is not an exact science due to far too many variables to account for, so lets just see how this goes, and as I said, add extra columns as you see fit to help make the data captured more fit for purpose
In science lack of a control in an experiment would invalidate any result.In fact, according to all your guys logic about same dyno, same day, only my results are valid for comparing anything as the two runs were less than 15 minutes apart and the car did not even leave the rollers, it was just remapped between runs.
The thing is that this is not an exact science due to far too many variables to account for, so lets just see how this goes, and as I said, add extra columns as you see fit to help make the data captured more fit for purpose
It would be interesting to apply that procedure to the dyno graph. I certainly don't have 2 sets of dyno results that are anywhere near the same in my rather extensive collection.
Only reason I'm making this point is because after most dyno days the phones tend to ring at places like Monkfish and Walkys.
Edited by Xpuffin on Sunday 12th October 11:58
Xpuffin said:
R8VXF said:
Whilst i agree in principle with you guys regarding same dyno same day etc, in practice keeping all this data in separate sheets then trying to do basic trend analysis over time becomes next to impossible. The beauty of having it all in one place is that then you can analyse the data how you want. For example, after the SSR day, I will provide graphs for just those that run that day.
In fact, according to all your guys logic about same dyno, same day, only my results are valid for comparing anything as the two runs were less than 15 minutes apart and the car did not even leave the rollers, it was just remapped between runs.
The thing is that this is not an exact science due to far too many variables to account for, so lets just see how this goes, and as I said, add extra columns as you see fit to help make the data captured more fit for purpose
In science lack of a control in an experiment would invalidate any result.In fact, according to all your guys logic about same dyno, same day, only my results are valid for comparing anything as the two runs were less than 15 minutes apart and the car did not even leave the rollers, it was just remapped between runs.
The thing is that this is not an exact science due to far too many variables to account for, so lets just see how this goes, and as I said, add extra columns as you see fit to help make the data captured more fit for purpose
It would be interesting to apply that procedure to the dyno graph. I certainly don't have 2 sets of dyno results that are anywhere near the same in my rather extensive collection.
Only reason I'm making this point is because after most dyno days the phones tend to ring at places like Monkfish and Walkys.
Edited by Xpuffin on Sunday 12th October 11:58
R8VXF said:
At what point has anyone said this is a scientific experiment? I think people are taking this far too seriously. I made this as a help for people to log their results next week at an event I probably will not even be at, so thought it might be a bit of fun to be able to let people log other results that they may have in their collection. If people do not like my methodology then feel free not to participate, but to those who have participated so far and going forwards, I would like to say thank you.
With respect, being new to this forum, you are unaware of exactly how many arguments the HSV Dyno days cause. I know, I started and hosted them untill the bickering about results got too much.And as an ex moderator dealing with the justified complaints from the perf companies was also an issue.
Is all I'm saying.
R8VXF said:
Edited first post to clarify that this is just a bit of fun.
The whole purpose of starting the Dyno Days was as a fun day out and an opportunity for folk to get together and meet.As a snapshot, even the results can be compared and discussed, usually heatedly (some topics have spread out over hundreds, I kid you not, of pages)Was just saying that dyno results are so variable it a slippery slope tabulating results from other days and venues.
Enjoy the day and the company is what I say, plus good on you for the effort
granada203028 said:
Yes this would be good for those of us who would like to see more rigour and objectivity in the tuning arena.
I note Blue666UK has a near stock 04 CV8 - the K & N won't make much difference - so this would be an opportunity to verify the Wortec "wonder" remap:
http://www.monkfishperformance.co.uk/wortec-essent...
After the session Blue666UK please get this done and then we can see how much better it is in a latter Surry session, plus your subjective assessment.
On the face of it 21% mid range torque increase from just a remap seams to good to be true but Monkfish strongly defend it, though their website no longer shows the graph, reproduced below.
I have an 05 for which a quantified remap is not available. Maybe some one will turn up with one at Surry.
My own map on my old CV8 proved what was to be gained, the CV8 was seriously de-tunedI note Blue666UK has a near stock 04 CV8 - the K & N won't make much difference - so this would be an opportunity to verify the Wortec "wonder" remap:
http://www.monkfishperformance.co.uk/wortec-essent...
After the session Blue666UK please get this done and then we can see how much better it is in a latter Surry session, plus your subjective assessment.
On the face of it 21% mid range torque increase from just a remap seams to good to be true but Monkfish strongly defend it, though their website no longer shows the graph, reproduced below.
I have an 05 for which a quantified remap is not available. Maybe some one will turn up with one at Surry.
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