Anyone here believe in "Global warming" and feel guilty?
Discussion
KMud said:
Go to China and realise your insignificance!
Yep they're going to keep going with the oil and gas until recovery is uneconomic. Our legislation is just a handy facilitator for that. They may reign back the coal a little if urban air pollution continues to rise unabated.The climate is undoubtedly changing, it always has done, perhaps the trend to a wetter climate if not warmer climate is happening here.
Gore has increased his personal wealth at least 100 fold on the back of his climate crusade. Seems to be the case here too, with people who had power, or have been awarded power on the back of their shrewd and benevolent foresight, viewing this as an opportunity to line their pockets at astonishing speed in a highly distorted and abuse riddled 'green energy' system. The money to be made is staggering and is the main driving force behind these paternal saints, most of whom are in reality far more aggressive capitalists than any of us. Perhaps ignoring Ringram.
Too cynical?
I've got a forest of 400 foot turbines and 130 acres of solar panels surrounding my house, all constructed on virgin grade 2 agricultural land and locked in at circa £750,000+ per annum rent, ignoring operator profits. The agricultural income from that area may have varied from £0 to about £45,000, depending on the growing season and market value. So long as we pay and obey we can be saved from this unfolding climate horror 
Edited by M11 MFP on Friday 19th December 10:11
M11 MFP said:
Yep they're going to keep going with the oil and gas until recovery is uneconomic. Our legislation is just a handy facilitator for that. They may reign back the coal a little if urban air pollution continues to rise unabated.
The climate is undoubtedly changing, it always has done, perhaps the trend to a wetter climate if not warmer climate is happening here.
Gore has increased his personal wealth at least 100 fold on the back of his climate crusade. Seems to be the case here too, with people who had power, or have been awarded power on the back of their shrewd and benevolent foresight, viewing this as an opportunity to line their pockets at astonishing speed in a highly distorted and abuse riddled 'green energy' system. The money to be made is staggering and is the main driving force behind these paternal saints, most of whom are in reality far more aggressive capitalists than any of us. Perhaps ignoring Ringram.
Too cynical? I've got a forest of 400 foot turbines and 130 acres of solar panels surrounding my house, all construsted on virgin grade 2 agricultual land and locked in at circa £750,000+ per annum rent, ignoring operator profits. The agricultural income from that area may have varied from £0 to about £45,000, depending on the growing season and market value. So long as we pay and obey we can be saved from this unfolding climate horror
The climate is undoubtedly changing, it always has done, perhaps the trend to a wetter climate if not warmer climate is happening here.
Gore has increased his personal wealth at least 100 fold on the back of his climate crusade. Seems to be the case here too, with people who had power, or have been awarded power on the back of their shrewd and benevolent foresight, viewing this as an opportunity to line their pockets at astonishing speed in a highly distorted and abuse riddled 'green energy' system. The money to be made is staggering and is the main driving force behind these paternal saints, most of whom are in reality far more aggressive capitalists than any of us. Perhaps ignoring Ringram.
Too cynical?
I've got a forest of 400 foot turbines and 130 acres of solar panels surrounding my house, all construsted on virgin grade 2 agricultual land and locked in at circa £750,000+ per annum rent, ignoring operator profits. The agricultural income from that area may have varied from £0 to about £45,000, depending on the growing season and market value. So long as we pay and obey we can be saved from this unfolding climate horror 
Subject=Carbon Footprint,i have worked for a seller of commercial Solar equipment,made in Germany,shipped to Holland,re-badged and sent to London via Channel Ferry,in an Artic,sold and Driven to the outskirt's of England,i will stop there
1,Double Glazing
2,Cavity wall
3,Solar to make you feel green
Revenue for the Gov
1,Double Glazing
2,Cavity wall
3,Solar to make you feel green
Revenue for the Gov
Roy Lime said:
Work on the premise that everything the green lobby has ever said will happen hasn't and make your decision.
Enjoy your V8s.
That's rich from someone with a vested interest in the Warmist theory! I'd prefer to work on honest science with definitive empirical data rather than being manipulated by dishonest scientists, lying government and the rest of you people who have joined that gravy train!Enjoy your V8s.
If its really that important why are we wasting billions on a new train set to appease our European masters instead of building some state of the art nuclear power stations?
Your windmills are no answer to the needs of a growing population and cost us more than they need to. Especially on a calm day.
Edited by MyM8V8 on Thursday 18th December 22:48
V88Dicky said:
M11 MFP said:
Yep they're going to keep going with the oil and gas until recovery is uneconomic. Our legislation is just a handy facilitator for that. They may reign back the coal a little if urban air pollution continues to rise unabated.
The climate is undoubtedly changing, it always has done, perhaps the trend to a wetter climate if not warmer climate is happening here.
Gore has increased his personal wealth at least 100 fold on the back of his climate crusade. Seems to be the case here too, with people who had power, or have been awarded power on the back of their shrewd and benevolent foresight, viewing this as an opportunity to line their pockets at astonishing speed in a highly distorted and abuse riddled 'green energy' system. The money to be made is staggering and is the main driving force behind these paternal saints, most of whom are in reality far more aggressive capitalists than any of us. Perhaps ignoring Ringram.
Too cynical? I've got a forest of 400 foot turbines and 130 acres of solar panels surrounding my house, all construsted on virgin grade 2 agricultual land and locked in at circa £750,000+ per annum rent, ignoring operator profits. The agricultural income from that area may have varied from £0 to about £45,000, depending on the growing season and market value. So long as we pay and obey we can be saved from this unfolding climate horror
The climate is undoubtedly changing, it always has done, perhaps the trend to a wetter climate if not warmer climate is happening here.
Gore has increased his personal wealth at least 100 fold on the back of his climate crusade. Seems to be the case here too, with people who had power, or have been awarded power on the back of their shrewd and benevolent foresight, viewing this as an opportunity to line their pockets at astonishing speed in a highly distorted and abuse riddled 'green energy' system. The money to be made is staggering and is the main driving force behind these paternal saints, most of whom are in reality far more aggressive capitalists than any of us. Perhaps ignoring Ringram.
Too cynical?
I've got a forest of 400 foot turbines and 130 acres of solar panels surrounding my house, all construsted on virgin grade 2 agricultual land and locked in at circa £750,000+ per annum rent, ignoring operator profits. The agricultural income from that area may have varied from £0 to about £45,000, depending on the growing season and market value. So long as we pay and obey we can be saved from this unfolding climate horror Edited by MyM8V8 on Thursday 18th December 22:47
V88Dicky said:
Genuine question; At what temperature in history was the Earth at an ideal level, and what level of CO2 'should' we have in the atmosphere? 
Not sure, but the Romans had vineyards and were producing wine in Yorkshire - so that I'd be happy for that level of warmth to return. 
ARAF said:
V88Dicky said:
Genuine question; At what temperature in history was the Earth at an ideal level, and what level of CO2 'should' we have in the atmosphere?
Not sure, but the Romans had vineyards and were producing wine in Yorkshire - so that I'd be happy for that level of warmth to return. But I think I prefer late Jurassic, when CO2 levels where several times more than now, and consequently nice and lush and green.
owning a Monaro is a very green thing to do!
I have owned my 56 plate car from new - my carbon foot print is decreasing each day - I could have bought an electric car 9 years ago and have filled my own land fill by now with exhausted batteries!
I have told my kids that I am doing my best to burn all the nasty carbon fuel I can so there's none left to effect them when they grow up
I have owned my 56 plate car from new - my carbon foot print is decreasing each day - I could have bought an electric car 9 years ago and have filled my own land fill by now with exhausted batteries!
I have told my kids that I am doing my best to burn all the nasty carbon fuel I can so there's none left to effect them when they grow up
MyM8V8 said:
Tattooboy said:
V8's have such little impact on global warming it's not even worth worrying about !!
But the lies and downright deceit of the government and how we are taxed is! And you just admitted to believing in global warming so must have succumbed to the brainwashing??MyM8V8 said:
That's rich from someone with a vested interest in the Warmist theory! I'd prefer to work on honest science with definitive empirical data rather than being manipulated by dishonest scientists, lying government and the rest of you people who have joined that gravy train!
If its really that important why are we wasting billions on a new train set to appease our European masters instead of building some state of the art nuclear power stations?
Your windmills are no answer to the needs of a growing population and cost us more than they need to. Especially on a calm day.
Pardon?If its really that important why are we wasting billions on a new train set to appease our European masters instead of building some state of the art nuclear power stations?
Your windmills are no answer to the needs of a growing population and cost us more than they need to. Especially on a calm day.
Edited by MyM8V8 on Thursday 18th December 22:48
Edit:
Ah. The website in my profile is completely fake - designed as promotion for a novel about a bent councillor and a renewable scam.
Edited by Roy Lime on Friday 19th December 09:44
Black VXR said:
I have told my kids that I am doing my best to burn all the nasty carbon fuel I can so there's none left to effect them when they grow up
I told mine that though wars are fought in the name of religion, it is usually over oil - so the sooner we burn it all, the sooner we'll have world peace. I could no longer live with myself so:
No one should feel guilty here with all the tax we pay. If any guilt should be felt it is with other uses such as domestic heating and air travel which are only lightly taxed. And of course having children who carry on the good work trashing the planet when we have gone - the selfish gene.
No one should feel guilty here with all the tax we pay. If any guilt should be felt it is with other uses such as domestic heating and air travel which are only lightly taxed. And of course having children who carry on the good work trashing the planet when we have gone - the selfish gene.
gsd2000 said:
KMud said:
Go to China and realise your insignificance!
Just as bad in IndiaWho has the largest fleet of LPG/CNG Buses and Taxis in the World?
Who has banned any fossil-fuelled vehicles within 1KM of any World Heritage site?
Who has an 'MOT' style test that doesn't give a s
t if your wheels are falling off, but you must pass the emissions test!(Put the vast numbers into perspective, at the beginning of 2012, 20300 CNG busses, 85000 CNG three-wheeler taxis, 8000 CNG minibuses, 17000 CNG taxis and 16000 CNG cars run on Delhis roads.)
I think you'll find we've come a long way!
(Sorry to add, having spent 200 hours on a Plane this Year, I'm pretty sure I'm going to Carbon-Offset Hell anyway
) Edited by Gary H 2008 on Friday 19th December 20:18
Gary H 2008 said:
(Sorry to add, having spent 200 hours on a Plane this Year, I'm pretty sure I'm going to Carbon-Offset Hell anyway )
I'd lend you a couple of trees, but current theory is that a tree will release as much carbon dioxide while it's rotting down, as it converted to oxygen in its entire life. ) I think the German idea of burying CO2 is the best technological idea - unless the aliens land and they breath in CO2 and p!ss petrol.
ARAF said:
I'd lend you a couple of trees, but current theory is that a tree will release as much carbon dioxide while it's rotting down, as it converted to oxygen in its entire life.
I think the German idea of burying CO2 is the best technological idea - unless the aliens land and they breath in CO2 and p!ss petrol.
Have you been watching the day of the triffids??? Didn't they do that? I think the German idea of burying CO2 is the best technological idea - unless the aliens land and they breath in CO2 and p!ss petrol.
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