Gutted, mapping :(
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MyM8V8 said:
Well_Fans said:
what you mean obsolete - how very dare you, trying to say my intercooled 9 psi 112 charger isnt state of the art engineering 
Well its no good sitting on your shed floor Bob. It'll be as old as you, soon. ;-)mailer555 said:
tried advancing by 1 and made no difference so he said that there was no point advancing it any further.
Doesnt seem like a particularly adventurous tuner. It's a n/a engine, I cant imagine 1deg making much difference most of the time...would almost be negligable on a lot of dynos depending on setup.A tuners job should be to tune...not try one quick change then give up.
stevieturbo said:
mailer555 said:
tried advancing by 1 and made no difference so he said that there was no point advancing it any further.
Doesnt seem like a particularly adventurous tuner. It's a n/a engine, I cant imagine 1deg making much difference most of the time...would almost be negligable on a lot of dynos depending on setup.A tuners job should be to tune...not try one quick change then give up.
ARAF said:
Whist I agree, I also think that someone that's out of their depth and not dabbling, is commendable - though they should have said so at the start.
Ahh right, I didnt see where it was mentioned the tuner wasnt familiar with the system/software.I thought it was said he had done a few cars similar ? Still not a lot of experience though
Obviously if the customer was made aware of this from the outset it does change things.
Assuming all the mechanical work was done correctly, then some tuning should make a good difference.
stevieturbo said:
Ahh right, I didnt see where it was mentioned the tuner wasnt familiar with the system/software.
I thought it was said he had done a few cars similar ? Still not a lot of experience though
You're quite right, and I'm happy to be corrected. I've just checked back...I thought it was said he had done a few cars similar ? Still not a lot of experience though
mailer555 said:
Performance HQ garage in Dunfermline mapped it. Even adding say 20% for transition loss it's only 440bhp, that just seems very low for what has been done. Even the guy mapping it said that and he's mapped a few of these cars. It's him that thinks something is restricting the top end, no idea what tho?
Ok, to try and. Clear things up, the tuner has done a few of these cars before but efi live is not the main software he uses. He did think something was restricting the top end but in the time we had could not pin point it. I booked 4 hours of dyno time as per his recommendation, that was an afternoon slot. I'm not doubting the tuner cos we used the slot available and could not go any further, he recommended trying to find what was restricting the top end my self before I booked back in with him. It maybe that the cars not right ( but judging by the graph, everything is working fine) it may be the map. But I need to find what is afecting the top end as ther should be more power up top than what is shown!
A lot of the problem lies with using multiple people to do the job.
The installer can blame the tuner, the tuner can blame the installer or work unknown, and the customer is left in limbo.
There really are many potential issues as others have listed.
But a more experienced or competent tuner might pick something that he sees as amiss, rather than blindly saying he thinks there is a restriction, which is a very misleading statement to start with.
It almost implies an airflow restriction, which may not strictly be the problem at all in that sense
But really, the timing should have been played with more as the timing is almost always the key to releasing power, or hiding power.
The installer can blame the tuner, the tuner can blame the installer or work unknown, and the customer is left in limbo.
There really are many potential issues as others have listed.
But a more experienced or competent tuner might pick something that he sees as amiss, rather than blindly saying he thinks there is a restriction, which is a very misleading statement to start with.
It almost implies an airflow restriction, which may not strictly be the problem at all in that sense
But really, the timing should have been played with more as the timing is almost always the key to releasing power, or hiding power.
stigmundfreud said:
MyM8V8 said:
Well_Fans said:
what you mean obsolete - how very dare you, trying to say my intercooled 9 psi 112 charger isnt state of the art engineering
Well its no good sitting on your shed floor Bob. It'll be as old as you, soon. ;-)
mailer555 said:
stigmundfreud said:
Sorry but I wouldn't put too much trust in a tuner that doesn't touch the spark tables, pull your tune post it up. A bottleneck could be the spark or commanded fuel, if gone mafless it could drop onto base spark for example
I ve still got the maf stig. whereabouts you based mailer, cant help with tuning but I can pull your tune out for you if you're struggling. Needing to arrange a trip to catch up with Simon (monaro57) in the next week or so to reprogram his dash. We could maybe kill 2 birds with one stone if we were all free at same time.
Well_Fans said:
whereabouts you based mailer, cant help with tuning but I can pull your tune out for you if you're struggling. Needing to arrange a trip to catch up with Simon (monaro57) in the next week or so to reprogram his dash. We could maybe kill 2 birds with one stone if we were all free at same time.
Bob, that would be great, I'm in Auchterarder, just south of Perth. could meet up with you anywhere though. I'm struggling to even retrieve the map from the car, been trying to find the correct information on line today. I tried F3: tune then F3: read but was getting $0537 code coming up, controller locked with custom key? no Idea I I was going down the correct route in the first place or what that code is? I could catch up with you when ever you want. thanks.Gassing Station | HSV & Monaro | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff