Gutted, mapping :(
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wormus said:
MyM8V8 said:
Doubt they can unlock a locked ECU, but IIRC the map can be overwritten.
Mine was locked by my previous tuner. Roger sent it off to a man who sorted it out so Roger could program it with HPT. It is possible.I think/hope that Ringram has messaged the OP, as he is the European distributor for EFI, and whatever his prejudices towards Pistonheads, this customer needs him (assuming the problem is the map).
ARAF said:
As much as I will recommend Monkfish and WP, as the OP has EFI Live software, I don't think an HP Tuners map will be his best option.
I think/hope that Ringram has messaged the OP, as he is the European distributor for EFI, and whatever his prejudices towards Pistonheads, this customer needs him (assuming the problem is the map).
Although to be fair. If another user locks a customers ecu, that isnt really a dealers issue to deal with. It's between the tuner and their customer.I think/hope that Ringram has messaged the OP, as he is the European distributor for EFI, and whatever his prejudices towards Pistonheads, this customer needs him (assuming the problem is the map).
Also, sellers of tuning software have no control over the abilities...or lack of, of any tuners.
The OP should discuss with the tuner he paid money to, and this tuner should be unlocking the ecu if it is indeed locked.
Of course, this does also assume he actually used EFILive in the first place ?
MyM8V8 said:
As far as I am concerned NO ONE, other than the owner of the vehicle, should be able to lock an ECU that does not belong to them.
I'm sick to death of hearing about tuners who do this.
The problem is some "tuners" lock the ecu, under the pretence or belief that the information now stored is their "intellectual property"I'm sick to death of hearing about tuners who do this.
And to a degree you could argue that. But for something as mundane and common as most cars are, that would be a very hard argument to justify.
If it was some seriously hot car where the tuner had done lot of development work and there really was something special inside, or it is some sort of race series where it must be locked to prevent tampering, then you can fully understand.
Or sometimes just to protect the engine from delving customers, but again at the owners request the ecu should be unlocked and perhaps returned exactly as it was before the tuner did anything.
The only place locally I've ever heard who locks stuff, I can only assume it was to hide his poor work...and the locking did come back to bite him several times with very irate customers when they had problems. The tuner could hardly argue the problems werent related to his work...when he had locked the ecu !
I've only ever locked one ecu...and that was 100% to protect the owner from themselves as they were a complete and utter muppet. Although he never did try and dabble in the end.
stevieturbo said:
MyM8V8 said:
As far as I am concerned NO ONE, other than the owner of the vehicle, should be able to lock an ECU that does not belong to them.
I'm sick to death of hearing about tuners who do this.
The problem is some "tuners" lock the ecu, under the pretence or belief that the information now stored is their "intellectual property"I'm sick to death of hearing about tuners who do this.
And to a degree you could argue that. But for something as mundane and common as most cars are, that would be a very hard argument to justify.
If it was some seriously hot car where the tuner had done lot of development work and there really was something special inside, or it is some sort of race series where it must be locked to prevent tampering, then you can fully understand.
Or sometimes just to protect the engine from delving customers, but again at the owners request the ecu should be unlocked and perhaps returned exactly as it was before the tuner did anything.
The only place locally I've ever heard who locks stuff, I can only assume it was to hide his poor work...and the locking did come back to bite him several times with very irate customers when they had problems. The tuner could hardly argue the problems werent related to his work...when he had locked the ecu !
I've only ever locked one ecu...and that was 100% to protect the owner from themselves as they were a complete and utter muppet. Although he never did try and dabble in the end.
MyM8V8 said:
If the customer has paid the bill for a substantial amount of custom tuning, the intellectual property in that unique tune should belong to that client.
When you buy a PC with Windows on it...you dont buy all rights to Windows. Your copy is solely for you on your computer.If the map was unlocked, the customer could then try and distribute or pass on the information held within to others and it can and does happen.
The IP even when locked on the ecu does belong to the client, and only the client to use every day etc. But it may not be for that client to distribute or modify unless this was agreed with the tuner from the outset in which case it may remain unlocked.
But none of that really applies in this instance anyway
And it's little different to EFILive itself. You buy one license per ecu...why doesnt the software give you free access to all ecu's ?
stigmundfreud said:
I can understand wortec or wp locking their tunes but I i was buying tailor made I am paying for my own rights..
Why is it fine for them to lock a generic tune then and not someone else spending the time to actually develop one specifically for your vehicle.Is a generic mild tune worth more than one dedicated to your setup ? Which costs more ?
stevieturbo said:
stigmundfreud said:
I can understand wortec or wp locking their tunes but I i was buying tailor made I am paying for my own rights..
Why is it fine for them to lock a generic tune then and not someone else spending the time to actually develop one specifically for your vehicle.Is a generic mild tune worth more than one dedicated to your setup ? Which costs more ?
Similar to the Microsoft analogy.
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