Police say Im too loud!!!!!!
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007 VXR said:
Thats only because there is a ford in the car park.
Bibbs said:
(My old S2000 was 113 db @ 4000 rpm. No boost and off cam, it got a lot louder at 9200rpm)
I think the rules say 2/3 rev range, so an S2000 would need testing at 6000rpm (or thereabouts).Big arguement for a switchable rev limiter set at 3000rpm for road use. And turbos for noise dampening (have I already said this?)
007 VXR said:
Thats only because there is a ford in the car park.ArnieVXR said:
I think the rules say 2/3 rev range, so an S2000 would need testing at 6000rpm (or thereabouts).
Big arguement for a switchable rev limiter set at 3000rpm for road use. And turbos for noise dampening (have I already said this?)
I did read that. I was only testing it for general driving and getting through the spot checks at Nur.Big arguement for a switchable rev limiter set at 3000rpm for road use. And turbos for noise dampening (have I already said this?)
I had a Bee*R adjustable rev limiter, the problem was it is spark cut and had 500rpm increments. Also the people measuring would look at the rev counter to *see* where your rev limit was.
Popping flames and explosions were louder than the exhaust noise.
I ended up having a bung to bolt into the exhaust to quieten it down.
I remember that people used to lock-wire a lump of wire wool in the end of the exhaust, at Castle Combe - to pass the noise test. There are lots of dB killers on the market now, if necessary.
I always wondered whether using a Brillo pad would also clean up the emissions.
I always wondered whether using a Brillo pad would also clean up the emissions.
Edited by ARAF on Saturday 31st January 11:23
ArnieVXR said:
I think the rules say 2/3 rev range, so an S2000 would need testing at 6000rpm (or thereabouts).
Big arguement for a switchable rev limiter set at 3000rpm for road use. And turbos for noise dampening (have I already said this?)
Must be an echo rumbling inside that exhaust lolBig arguement for a switchable rev limiter set at 3000rpm for road use. And turbos for noise dampening (have I already said this?)
Really though, from a going fast perspective, there isnt really any justification for an excessively loud exhaust these days, but at the same time abuse of the laws by a
hole cops with nothing better to do....there isnt any justification for that either.I've literally just joined to reply to this topic as its a current one and relevant to my daughter who was pulled over in Plymouth last night to have her C2 VTS fb tested. It sits at 72db idling and the fuzz got her to rev to 5k where it tested at 95db. They told her she could accept an on the spot fine of £100 or change the exhaust within 14 days or go to court. They picked her up on her pressed plates and also that she hadn't declared the mods to her insurers but she bought the car last July as it is. No excuse I guess but she's only a youngster and is still learning about all this stuff. Her friend in a Civic tested at over 100db but the fuzz haven't decided what they are going to do about him yet. I'm not sure what they said to her is legal and to be honest she has asked loads of our neighbours if the noise bothers them and they have all said no. Nobody has complained to us and we are all respectful of each other as our houses are all on top of each other. She's clueless about all this so I guess it's down to her dad and me,as her parents, to work it all out. She's pretty angry at the mo and can't risk going to court n getting done, as shes in a job that requires DBS formerly known as CRB checking. Anyway I just thought I wouldput my 10p worth in about the local Plymouth cops.
Edited by MinkeeDJ on Saturday 31st January 09:22
I don't know what her rev limit is but 5k is probably too high for the test.
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MinkeeDJ said:
I've literally just joined to reply to this topic as its a current one and relevant to my daughter who was pulled over in Plymouth last night to have her C2 VTS fb tested. It sits at 72db idling and the fuzz got her to rev to 5k where it tested at 95db. They told her she could accept an on the spot fine of £100 or change the exhaust within 14 days or go to court. They picked her up on her pressed plates and also that she hadn't declared the mods to her insurers but she bought the car last July as it is. No excuse I guess but she's only a youngster and is still learning about all this stuff. Her friend in a Civic tested at over 100db but the fuzz haven't decided what they are going to do about him yet. I'm not sure what they said to her is legal and to be honest she has asked loads of our neighbours if the noise bothers them and they have all said no. Nobody has complained to us and we are all respectful of each other as our houses are all on top of each other. She's clueless about all this so I guess it's down to her dad and me,as her parents, to work it all out. She's pretty angry at the mo and can't risk going to court n getting done, as shes in a job that requires DBS formerly known as CRB checking. Anyway I just thought I wouldput my 10p worth in about the local Plymouth cops.
There are pressed plates that are fully legal...of course, there are also pressed plates that are not legal.Edited by MinkeeDJ on Saturday 31st January 09:22
But again the noise thing angers me. Unless she was actually caught revving the nuts off it somewhere making such noise, it is diabolical they can force you to rev the nuts off it to make noise.
It's a bit like that joke where the cop should be arrested because he might rape someone...seems silly...but after all, just like the car is capable of making some noise, the cop has all the parts needed to rape someone, even if both choose not to.
The insurance is a trickier one, the cops will always chant that ignorance is no excuse, yet in many many cases they are completely ignorant of the law. The difference is they have a huge free legal backing in order to make any accusations against someone, paid for by you and me.
Yet when that accusation is made whether false or otherwise....you then also have to pay to find a defence or the truth.
It's a no lose situation for them financially...yet we not only have to pay for our defence and the truth...but we're also paying for them
s to accuse and prosecute us !!! It's mentalUnfortunately the best advice is to seek proper legal advice, but IMO you should not take this sitting down. Harassment of this nature should not be tolerated and if the cops demeanour was threatening towards your daughter or intimidating at all....make sure she raises complaints against them and makes it known to the public this is happening too in case others have been treated the same. ie, name and shame
Back on the insurance though, it would also be worth fighting that the car is exactly as purchased...but what are the mods they are alleging ?
As fr background checks, motoring offences dont usually have any impact on these but again a solicitor should be able to advise here. Plus if she applies for the check now before any prosecution or court even takes place..it will be clean.
i dont use the forum often but you could maybe try here, there are many cops etc use it
http://forums.pepipoo.com/
http://forums.pepipoo.com/
Edited by stevieturbo on Saturday 31st January 14:09
MinkeeDJ said:
I've literally just joined to reply to this topic as its a current one and relevant to my daughter who was pulled over in Plymouth last night to have her C2 VTS fb tested. It sits at 72db idling and the fuzz got her to rev to 5k where it tested at 95db. They told her she could accept an on the spot fine of £100 or change the exhaust within 14 days or go to court. They picked her up on her pressed plates and also that she hadn't declared the mods to her insurers but she bought the car last July as it is. No excuse I guess but she's only a youngster and is still learning about all this stuff. Her friend in a Civic tested at over 100db but the fuzz haven't decided what they are going to do about him yet. I'm not sure what they said to her is legal and to be honest she has asked loads of our neighbours if the noise bothers them and they have all said no. Nobody has complained to us and we are all respectful of each other as our houses are all on top of each other. She's clueless about all this so I guess it's down to her dad and me,as her parents, to work it all out. She's pretty angry at the mo and can't risk going to court n getting done, as shes in a job that requires DBS formerly known as CRB checking. Anyway I just thought I wouldput my 10p worth in about the local Plymouth cops.
As someone that sorts out clearance I can state that this would have no bearing on her clearance in any way whatsoever.Edited by MinkeeDJ on Saturday 31st January 09:22
Stevie
Guarantee that ignorance is not a factor, they were probably obvious modifications - exhaust for one. Ignorance can be a factor if buying a car and you don't know its been remapped but anything else is obvious to the owner.
RPM for db test is at 3/4 redline so 5k would indicate a 6750 redline which is highly unlikely. It also needs to be done with no surrounding buildings with the reader correctly positioned and acoustically isolated
Guarantee that ignorance is not a factor, they were probably obvious modifications - exhaust for one. Ignorance can be a factor if buying a car and you don't know its been remapped but anything else is obvious to the owner.
RPM for db test is at 3/4 redline so 5k would indicate a 6750 redline which is highly unlikely. It also needs to be done with no surrounding buildings with the reader correctly positioned and acoustically isolated
Frankly, I'd change the exhaust and plates within 14 days, and have the police check the car. If you kick up about the way that the test was conducted, the officer may revisit the insurance aspect, which is a fine and 6 points on your daughter's licence.
It may not seem fair, but it will leave her with an unblemished record, and the policeman will soon forget about her. If he was an ass, and your daughter complains, she can look forward to being pulled a lot more over the next 5 or so years. Harassment is only the case if there's no cause for being stopped - and you can find a fault with most vehicles, if you look hard enough. The plates are enough cause, if they are not BSI marked or an incorrect font.
It may not seem fair, but it will leave her with an unblemished record, and the policeman will soon forget about her. If he was an ass, and your daughter complains, she can look forward to being pulled a lot more over the next 5 or so years. Harassment is only the case if there's no cause for being stopped - and you can find a fault with most vehicles, if you look hard enough. The plates are enough cause, if they are not BSI marked or an incorrect font.
The cops weren't arses and not threatening but the test did show a background db reading of 60 and there were lots of other cars and people around during the test. They were pulling loads of people over from our local Currys car park to a maccys car park which is noisier as our maccys is a 24 hour one and always busy. She was pulled up about half 11 so there was a lot of background noise. It would b interesting to get an independent reading under proper conditions but God knows how I would do that. My daughter said her max RPM reads 8k ..... Her insurance is due for renewal at beginning of March so not long off. She's waiting on a friend to come n look at the exhaust to see if it's been decatted or had the silencer removed. The exhaust system is a made to measure Powerflow so we may be able to get any missing bits from them if there are any. Anyway she just doesn't want to drive the car now which is a shame as she has just set up a new fb page for c2 owners and is in the throes of getting a lil club together
Cheers peeps, for all your input. She's going to see a friend whose going to look over her exhaust system shortly. He will let her know if the cat or silencer are missing and if so I'll be ringing Powerflow on Monday (they are shut at the mo) to see if they can supply any of the bits. She has been advised to take it to a garage and get it tested properly and if it passes get a stamp on the ticket the cop gave her so she can prove it's fine before she does any alterations. So there are a few options to go through. Her pride and joy is quickly becoming the bane of her life, but hey ho ya can't tell these youngsters lol. It's hardly surprising she's going through this stage as her dad and myself were big into it all when she was a youngster. Thankfully her little sister doesn't give a toss about cars ... it's a different kind of 4 legged 1 horse power for her 
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