TWR Senator

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ARAF

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20,759 posts

223 months

Thursday 1st October 2015
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Not mine, but for sale locally. I'm more than happy to have a look for anyone seriously interested, and report back.

I know there are some VX enthusiasts on here, and I'm guessing that if it goes really cheaply, it will sadly end its days as a drift car.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vauxhall-Senator-by-Tom-...

preciousmetal

3,372 posts

176 months

Thursday 1st October 2015
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Police prototype !!! Yeah all police cars have manual sunroofs. The power on that would not have been much more than the 3.0 24v GM engine.

The Irmscher 4.0 version was 300bhp. So whats the point in doing this supposed police prototype with less power and more weight

I have heard of this car before and its story then was all a bit iffy. It was just the seller's word

Not sure i believe all the Jackanory biggrin

Edited by preciousmetal on Thursday 1st October 16:53

jameshsv

5,844 posts

160 months

Thursday 1st October 2015
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ARAF said:
Not mine, but for sale locally. I'm more than happy to have a look for anyone seriously interested, and report back.

I know there are some VX enthusiasts on here, and I'm guessing that if it goes really cheaply, it will sadly end its days as a drift car.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vauxhall-Senator-by-Tom-...
Dont see the point in this car !aint no quicker or more top end than a 24v 3.0i senato

ARAF

Original Poster:

20,759 posts

223 months

Thursday 1st October 2015
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preciousmetal said:
Police prototype !!! Yeah all police cars have manual sunroofs. The power on that would not have been much more than the 3.0 24v GM engine.

The Irmscher 4.0 version was 300bhp. So whats the point in doing this supposed police prototype with less power and more weight

I have heard of this car before and its story then was all a bit iffy. It was just the seller's word

Not sure i believe all the Jackanory biggrin
That's more than fair. I couldn't see the merit in fitting a Jag engine in a Vx, when a Jag engine in a Jag, and mated to a manual gearbox would make more sense, but took the ad at face value.

Maybe drifting at Lydden will be a fitting end for it. smile

Winky151

1,267 posts

141 months

Friday 2nd October 2015
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This has come up in conversation on ABS. Jag block would probably be ally so lighter than the standard GM block & rated at approx. 245bhp so approx. 40 up on a 24v but torque figures for the Jag lump is nigh on 80ft/lbs higher. Yeah its a one off but needs some tlc as advertised but as to value ....

raving

1,183 posts

190 months

Friday 2nd October 2015
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Winky151 said:
This has come up in conversation on ABS. Jag block would probably be ally so lighter than the standard GM block & rated at approx. 245bhp so approx. 40 up on a 24v but torque figures for the Jag lump is nigh on 80ft/lbs higher. Yeah its a one off but needs some tlc as advertised but as to value ....
Its about £30 a ton at the moment

preciousmetal

3,372 posts

176 months

Friday 2nd October 2015
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raving said:
Winky151 said:
This has come up in conversation on ABS. Jag block would probably be ally so lighter than the standard GM block & rated at approx. 245bhp so approx. 40 up on a 24v but torque figures for the Jag lump is nigh on 80ft/lbs higher. Yeah its a one off but needs some tlc as advertised but as to value ....
Its about £30 a ton at the moment
rofl

ARAF

Original Poster:

20,759 posts

223 months

Friday 2nd October 2015
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preciousmetal said:
raving said:
Winky151 said:
This has come up in conversation on ABS. Jag block would probably be ally so lighter than the standard GM block & rated at approx. 245bhp so approx. 40 up on a 24v but torque figures for the Jag lump is nigh on 80ft/lbs higher. Yeah its a one off but needs some tlc as advertised but as to value ....
Its about £30 a ton at the moment
rofl
laugh

Behold81

2,931 posts

169 months

Friday 2nd October 2015
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Not sure I like a Carlton gain spoiler on a senator....

5ohmustang

2,755 posts

115 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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Did the 4.0 straight six ever make production?

mik_ok

1,568 posts

241 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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5ohmustang said:
Did the 4.0 straight six ever make production?
In Jaguars - yes.

preciousmetal

3,372 posts

176 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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5ohmustang said:
Did the 4.0 straight six ever make production?
The 4.0 GM 6 cylimder was only ever offered as an Irmscher bespoke engine upgrade. Wasn't offered by GM or vauxhall

jameshsv

5,844 posts

160 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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preciousmetal said:
The 4.0 GM 6 c4ylimder was only ever offered as an Irmscher bespoke engine upgrade. Wasn't offered by GM or vauxhall
Wasnt that engine in the evolution was that the irmscher

vxr8jaye

62 posts

171 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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I got a unicorn running in the derby next year,...it really flys...lol.

Behold81

2,931 posts

169 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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preciousmetal said:
The 4.0 GM 6 cylimder was only ever offered as an Irmscher bespoke engine upgrade. Wasn't offered by GM or vauxhall
I thought it was a factory fit option as was the body kit.

Blue383

86 posts

117 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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I actually know this car. The year that we had Thunder Road in the east midlands we stayed in a nearby hotel. As we pulled into the carpark I saw a car with a tarp over it and just showing was the TWR badge.

The owner of the Hotel was a former RAF pilot from the base where we were racing and had owned the car for the last ten year or so. His main interest was Caterhams but he ran the car occasionally. He claimed it handled well for such a large car but that in truth it wasn't nearly as quick as he had hoped. I think he had been hoping for Lotus Carlton performance and really only got quick exec saloon performance.

The car does indeed have a slightly tuned version of the 4 litre straight six from the face lifted jaguar XJS mated to the rather poor manual gearbox that Jaguar occasionally wheeled out on special order. Neither the engine nor gearbox are a great fit to a car that they were not designed for, leaving no room for luxuaries like air con and adequate engine cooling.

The car is essentially a curiosity. It was put together as a police intercepter at the time when the thought of buying foreign made police cars would have had the Daily Mail in a lather. Sadly it was too expensive and didn't really work. The arrival of the Volvo 850T killed it stone dead.

In short the car is genuine, its just not very good. Only really a good buy if you collect weird Vauxhalls or TWR products.