Can we talk about Germany for a bit?

Can we talk about Germany for a bit?

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gruffalo

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7,509 posts

225 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35231046

Germany, a country that has opened it's doors to many leaving the Middle East, may Merkel regret what she has done or is this sort of collateral damage acceptable?

So glad that we have limited the number we accept and the 20,000 to my mind needs to be reviewed/delayed till the full impact on other countries can be assessed.

I am shocked that this could happen in Germany, a country I visit regularly and have aways considered as very safe.

ALT F4

5,180 posts

216 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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In my opinion it was a huge mistake to open the border of Germany (and others) to free movement of non-EU nationals.
It was also a huge mistake to not secure the borders of Greece and Turkey.

Refugee camps should have been established within Syria and north Africa with aid and protection sent out to them.



jjlynn27

7,935 posts

108 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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gruffalo said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35231046

Germany, a country that has opened it's doors to many leaving the Middle East, may Merkel regret what she has done or is this sort of collateral damage acceptable?

So glad that we have limited the number we accept and the 20,000 to my mind needs to be reviewed/delayed till the full impact on other countries can be assessed.

I am shocked that this could happen in Germany, a country I visit regularly and have aways considered as very safe.
I'm shocked that you are still allowed to post on this forum after your rather idiotic outburst during Christmas. I'm even more shocked that you are allowed unsupervised access to the internet.

eta; better?

Edited by jjlynn27 on Tuesday 5th January 13:30

Derek Smith

45,514 posts

247 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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jjlynn27 said:
I'm shocked that you are still allowed to post on this forum after your rather idiotic outburst over Christmas. I'm even more shocked that you are allowed unsupervised access to the internet.
What was it about christmas that he didn't like?


gruffalo

Original Poster:

7,509 posts

225 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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Derek Smith said:
jjlynn27 said:
I'm shocked that you are still allowed to post on this forum after your rather idiotic outburst over Christmas. I'm even more shocked that you are allowed unsupervised access to the internet.
What was it about christmas that he didn't like?
Not sure I follow?

What did I say that offended?

FourWheelDrift

88,381 posts

283 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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jjlynn27 said:
I'm shocked that you are still allowed to post on this forum after your rather idiotic outburst during Christmas. I'm even more shocked that you are allowed unsupervised access to the internet.

eta; better?
Not as shocking as being an "EU promoter of Green Energy "

Bluebarge

4,519 posts

177 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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gruffalo said:
So glad that we have limited the number we accept and the 20,000 to my mind needs to be reviewed/delayed till the full impact on other countries can be assessed.

I am shocked that this could happen in Germany, a country I visit regularly and have aways considered as very safe.
Nice. So you take one rather confused report of incidents in Cologne, where no-one has yet been arrested, let alone been brought before the Courts and state that it is the work of Syrian refugees.

I'm not surprised that you visit Germany so often - those Pegida rallies won't organise themselves.

BTW, rates of sexual abuse of women in Germany are above the EU average, so the other assumption in your post also lacks any supporting evidence.

Sam All

3,101 posts

100 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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jjlynn27 said:
I'm shocked that you are still allowed to post on this forum after your rather idiotic outburst during Christmas. I'm even more shocked that you are allowed unsupervised access to the internet.

eta; better?

Edited by jjlynn27 on Tuesday 5th January 13:30
What is wrong with what he posted?

gruffalo

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Tuesday 5th January 2016
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Bluebarge said:
Nice. So you take one rather confused report of incidents in Cologne, where no-one has yet been arrested, let alone been brought before the Courts and state that it is the work of Syrian refugees.

I'm not surprised that you visit Germany so often - those Pegida rallies won't organise themselves.

BTW, rates of sexual abuse of women in Germany are above the EU average, so the other assumption in your post also lacks any supporting evidence.
I was unaware of the rape rate in Germany being above average so guilty as charged, I have always felt safe there but I am not female and no I am not some right wing nutter, I work for a German company hence my regular travel.

Who mentioned Syria, I did mention the Middle East as a whole region, I may be wrong on this and debate is a way of learning so I am open minded to other opinions I thought that was the point of a forum, put a point and allow others to rebut that opinion.

The BBC report did say:

City police chief Wolfgang Albers called it "a completely new dimension of crime". The men were of Arab or North African appearance, he said.

So what is your view or do you just want to get personal with zero information about me.




Edited by gruffalo on Tuesday 5th January 13:48

Four Litre

2,013 posts

191 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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Just Facts - some people clearly cant handle them.

pbg2770

3,676 posts

103 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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Bluebarge said:
gruffalo said:
So glad that we have limited the number we accept and the 20,000 to my mind needs to be reviewed/delayed till the full impact on other countries can be assessed.

I am shocked that this could happen in Germany, a country I visit regularly and have aways considered as very safe.
Nice. So you take one rather confused report of incidents in Cologne, where no-one has yet been arrested, let alone been brought before the Courts and state that it is the work of Syrian refugees.

I'm not surprised that you visit Germany so often - those Pegida rallies won't organise themselves.

BTW, rates of sexual abuse of women in Germany are above the EU average, so the other assumption in your post also lacks any supporting evidence.
I think it's worthy of comment / worthy of a thread. It's clear something happened ( http://tinyurl.com/pvparxf ) and if nothing could be posted until convictions were completed, ph would be very quiet indeed :-). I wouldn't have speculated about nationality though, granted.

RobGT81

5,227 posts

185 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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tuffer

8,849 posts

266 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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Bluebarge said:
gruffalo said:
So glad that we have limited the number we accept and the 20,000 to my mind needs to be reviewed/delayed till the full impact on other countries can be assessed.

I am shocked that this could happen in Germany, a country I visit regularly and have aways considered as very safe.
Nice. So you take one rather confused report of incidents in Cologne, where no-one has yet been arrested, let alone been brought before the Courts and state that it is the work of Syrian refugees.

I'm not surprised that you visit Germany so often - those Pegida rallies won't organise themselves.

BTW, rates of sexual abuse of women in Germany are above the EU average, so the other assumption in your post also lacks any supporting evidence.
That is way out of order, OP did not mention Syrian refugees in any way.

gruffalo

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7,509 posts

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Tuesday 5th January 2016
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pbg2770 said:
Bluebarge said:
gruffalo said:
So glad that we have limited the number we accept and the 20,000 to my mind needs to be reviewed/delayed till the full impact on other countries can be assessed.

I am shocked that this could happen in Germany, a country I visit regularly and have aways considered as very safe.
Nice. So you take one rather confused report of incidents in Cologne, where no-one has yet been arrested, let alone been brought before the Courts and state that it is the work of Syrian refugees.

I'm not surprised that you visit Germany so often - those Pegida rallies won't organise themselves.

BTW, rates of sexual abuse of women in Germany are above the EU average, so the other assumption in your post also lacks any supporting evidence.
I think it's worthy of comment / worthy of a thread. It's clear something happened ( http://tinyurl.com/pvparxf ) and if nothing could be posted until convictions were completed, ph would be very quiet indeed :-). I wouldn't have speculated about nationality though, granted.
The report I quoted said:

City police chief Wolfgang Albers called it "a completely new dimension of crime". The men were of Arab or North African appearance, he said.

I repeated this using slightly different terminology for the same thing.


pbg2770

3,676 posts

103 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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tuffer said:
That is way out of order, OP did not mention Syrian refugees in any way.
Ok, implied - we accepted 20,000 Syrians. Happy?

Puggit

48,355 posts

247 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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Bluebarge said:
Nice. So you take one rather confused report of incidents in Cologne, where no-one has yet been arrested, let alone been brought before the Courts and state that it is the work of Syrian refugees.

I'm not surprised that you visit Germany so often - those Pegida rallies won't organise themselves.

BTW, rates of sexual abuse of women in Germany are above the EU average, so the other assumption in your post also lacks any supporting evidence.
Really?

REALLY?!

REALLY?!?!?

More evidence, for the hard of understanding: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/g...

http://www.thelocal.de/20160105/cologne-cant-be-la...

The Local said:
Police and German national media have been accused of a cover-up after it took days to clarify that the perpetrators were a large crowd of around 1,000 men "who from appearance were largely from the north African or Arab world" as police chief Wolfgang Albers said on Monday.

v8250

2,724 posts

210 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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Sadly, I'm not in any way surprised to read this. Many similar assaults, or even worse, have taken place in other Euro countries over the past five+ years...and it's only going to get worse. People, it is time to wake up to the fact that these immigrant types do not live to the same ethical and social standards as we do. The longer they are permitted entry into the EU the greater number of physical and sexual assaults. I have zero sympathy for the EU politicos who voted for the EU immigration policies over the past 15 years; in fact, they are highly culpable of the unecessary social violence and disorder we see in today's towns and cities. Unless hard disciplined action is put in place, the growth in social unrest is simply going to worsen...and I can clearly see this leading to retaliative violence across Europe.

Of particular note is the shocking level of custodial sentences handed down to these atrocious individuals...it makes my social piss boil to think they arrive in the EU, no work, no money, funded by EU tax payers to live a life of socially non-inclusive scumming around...commit a heinous crime...and then to be sentenced to 10-20years behind bars...which is yet again paid for by the EU tax payer. Simply, capital punishment is too good a punishment for these types.

pbg2770

3,676 posts

103 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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v8250 said:
Sadly, I'm not in any way surprised to read this. Many similar assaults, or even worse, have taken place in other Euro countries over the past five+ years...and it's only going to get worse. People, it is time to wake up to the fact that these immigrant types do not live to the same ethical and social standards as we do. The longer they are permitted entry into the EU the greater number of physical and sexual assaults. I have zero sympathy for the EU politicos who voted for the EU immigration policies over the past 15 years; in fact, they are highly culpable of the unecessary social violence and disorder we see in today's towns and cities. Unless hard disciplined action is put in place, the growth in social unrest is simply going to worsen...and I can clearly see this leading to retaliative violence across Europe.

Of particular note is the shocking level of custodial sentences handed down to these atrocious individuals...it makes my social piss boil to think they arrive in the EU, no work, no money, funded by EU tax payers to live a life of socially non-inclusive scumming around...commit a heinous crime...and then to be sentenced to 10-20years behind bars...which is yet again paid for by the EU tax payer. Simply, capital punishment is too good a punishment for these types.
Oh do get off the fence.

Bluebarge

4,519 posts

177 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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gruffalo said:
Who mentioned Syria

You did. You mentioned the "20,000" who are the 20k Syrian refugees being taken by the UK and stated that you were glad that we had not taken more. The implication of your post was very clear as much as you may try to obfuscate now.

The article talks about 80 offences, most of which were muggings. Some witnesses spoke of the culprits being of Middle eastern or North African appearance, but that covers an awful lot of European citizens, including Turkish Gastarbeiter, and eyewitness reports are very often confused.

Personally, I don't like to sling mud at whole communities on the basis of some confused reports. I much prefer to wait until the judicial process has been given a chance before reaching for the tar and feathers. Besides, if you were to ask policemen from any of the cheapo Med resorts whether this type of behaviour was common for any particular national group, I expect young pissed-up Brits would figure pretty high on their list.


Mr_B

10,480 posts

242 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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pbg2770 said:
tuffer said:
That is way out of order, OP did not mention Syrian refugees in any way.
Ok, implied - we accepted 20,000 Syrians. Happy?
Nope, not that either. I took it as meaning Germany just opened it doors and said 'get here' to just about anyone in the world and had no controls. The UK is taking 20K Syrians picked from camps. That is the difference.