First visit to Mr Dyno

First visit to Mr Dyno

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ringram

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14,700 posts

249 months

Monday 12th December 2005
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Hello all, I thought Id post up my first experience on the dyno.
Firstly Iain at Power Engineering was very helpfull as I wanted to sit beside him with my laptop and log everything on efilive.
We did a few runs once everything was buckled down, The car wanted to climb off the rollers so we had to do the run in 5th gear even though he ran a strap through the back doors.

So at this point I had spent the best part of 2 months messing with efilive and changing just about everything, the stock mapping was well gone and Im running a custom os with 3bar support mainly for the dual spark maps and good mafless support. Im also commanding my AFR ratio across all rpm and map points.
Top MAP pressure was 103kpa so even with the gutted granatelli maf disconnected in the intake there wasnt too much restriction, my injectors were maxing out at 92%.
Anyway first run was fine, Iain suggested adding some more fuel at peak torque and a little more at max rpm. I did this as well as dropping a half a degree of timing up top as I had picked up some knock retard with the scanner.
Final run was up 3bhp and 2ft/lb over my base tune. I was going to mess with timing to see what difference that made, but as Im planning on a cam install in a couple of months left it as it was.

Final results on a 2000 HSV R8 was 364ft/lb and 362bhp but as you can see on the chart the dyno ran out of puff as its only rated to 400bhp, so I think there might have been a little more to be had as the chart dies around 5000rpm, it should be making power to about 5400 or so.

Mods are k&n hsv intake, 1.8 rockers and dual 2.5" exhaust, LS1 intake and stock TB.
Not quite as much as the supercharged guys but not bad considering this was all tuned by myself with efilive and I had no previous tuning experience before november.


vixpy1

42,625 posts

265 months

Monday 12th December 2005
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If you need a dyno that can handle and graph the sort of power your generating..

Can i suggest.. us

caspy

1,791 posts

237 months

Monday 12th December 2005
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I thought WRC had the only approved Dyno Dynamics RR in Europe ?

wortec1

372 posts

229 months

Monday 12th December 2005
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"vixpy1" have you moved to your new premises yet?

vixpy1

42,625 posts

265 months

Monday 12th December 2005
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caspy said:
I thought WRC had the only approved Dyno Dynamics RR in Europe ?


They have the only quad retarder Dyno Dynamics dyno in europe.

I'm not sure what they mean by 'approved'


vixpy1

42,625 posts

265 months

Monday 12th December 2005
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wortec1 said:
"vixpy1" have you moved to your new premises yet?


We are doing so right now, will be open again for business Jan 1st, the dyno will be in the floor of an Army fireing range complete with blast doors!

No Noise restrictions

A57 HSV

1,510 posts

231 months

Monday 12th December 2005
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I thought Linden & WRC had identical systems? Seem to remember one of Linden's Monaro's went to a WRC R/R day as a comparison & produced the same figures.
Must admit, I don't like the car trying to jump off tales that I've often heard about R/R's.
Wonder if V8 HSV jumped about on the rollers when It was Dynoed @ Linden's the other day?

wortec1

372 posts

229 months

Monday 12th December 2005
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"vixpy1" Cool......

>> Edited by wortec1 on Monday 12th December 18:53

vixpy1

42,625 posts

265 months

Monday 12th December 2005
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A57 HSV said:
I thought Linden & WRC had identical systems? Seem to remember one of Linden's Monaro's went to a WRC R/R day as a comparison & produced the same figures.
Must admit, I don't like the car trying to jump off tales that I've often heard about R/R's.
Wonder if V8 HSV jumped about on the rollers when It was Dynoed @ Linden's the other day?


They are both Dyno Dynamics. I would expect them to yield the same figs.

On a Dyno Dynamics rolling road, the cars are strapped differently to other RR's, they should NEVER jump off the rollers! We ran this PH'ers Supra the other day and it did'nt even trouble the rollers...

www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?t=226661&f=71&h=0&p=1

wortec1

372 posts

229 months

Monday 12th December 2005
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"vixpy1" Do you place the intake temp sensor in the airflow (outside of car) or inside the intake track (airbox)?

vixpy1

42,625 posts

265 months

Monday 12th December 2005
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wortec1 said:
"vixpy1" Do you place the intake temp sensor in the airflow (outside of car) or inside the intake track (airbox)?



Lost of the cars we run have cone type filters, so we place the intake sensor on there.

If the car has an intake box we place the sensor up the intake pipe, but not inside the box.

wortec1

372 posts

229 months

Monday 12th December 2005
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Have you done any tests on hp increase/decrease based on the sensor reading different to the true temp? .....

Sorry "Ringram" your post came up just as I have been researching the Dyno Dnamics set up.......

vixpy1

42,625 posts

265 months

Monday 12th December 2005
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wortec1 said:
Have you done any tests on hp increase/decrease based on the sensor reading different to the true temp? .....

Sorry "Ringram" your post came up just as I have been researching the Dyno Dnamics set up.......



Put it this way, if its used PROPERLY it works very well.

wortec1

372 posts

229 months

Monday 12th December 2005
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As I thought................

Back to you "Ringram" .....sorry for the diversion!

ringram

Original Poster:

14,700 posts

249 months

Monday 12th December 2005
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No problem, all good info. May well be making a trip to Surrey next time.. Cam due in March!

pies

13,116 posts

257 months

Monday 12th December 2005
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ringram said:
No problem, all good info. May well be making a trip to Surrey next time.. Cam due in March!


Surely you ought to use the same rollers

ringram

Original Poster:

14,700 posts

249 months

Monday 12th December 2005
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True for comparing baselines. But Im not too worried about that, plus I never got to pull right to redline anyway. I was more interested in checking AFR and timing than in numbers.
Dynos can be setup to read differently in any case.

weltmeister

448 posts

232 months

Wednesday 14th December 2005
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vixpy1 said:
caspy said:
I thought WRC had the only approved Dyno Dynamics RR in Europe ?
They have the only quad retarder Dyno Dynamics dyno in europe.
I'm not sure what they mean by 'approved'


Our Pistonheads banner advert states. The only UK dyno facility approved by Evo Magazine. This statement relates to the fact that Evo chose us to benchmark the "claimed horsepower" vs the actual power delivered by some rogue press cars. Now we test all cars being UK roadtested by Evo Magazine.

Cheers

Allan

caspy

1,791 posts

237 months

Wednesday 14th December 2005
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Have to say, cant believe magazines have taken so long to test hp. They test everything else but take power figures for granted, then get some unobtainable 0-60, 0-100 and top speed times as the press car has been fettled!!!

Good move, well done.

PS

The approved statement i thought i saw in EVO mag, but at my age the memory goes!!!

V8HSV

2,457 posts

253 months

Wednesday 14th December 2005
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Is this a traders forum?