M5(2003 model) or Monaro
Discussion
Hi all, recently found this excellent site and have a question. Am looking to change my car for something with a V8. reading up on this site it seems that a 354bhp cv8 (2005) with a Wortec remap and exhaust will produce about 400 horses with similar torque.
Now, the other car i am considering is a 2003 M5 which has 400 hhp, 700cc's less capacity. both are manuals, and i believe the monaro maybe slightly lighter.
Would I be right in assuming that the Monaro with the above mods would hold its own against the M5 or mavbe even beat it?.
Now, the other car i am considering is a 2003 M5 which has 400 hhp, 700cc's less capacity. both are manuals, and i believe the monaro maybe slightly lighter.
Would I be right in assuming that the Monaro with the above mods would hold its own against the M5 or mavbe even beat it?.
caspy said:
Who's getting(got)big headed(ers)....I assume the results are pretty damn good by this small note!!
No no no...wasnt talking about mine. Some very very quick customer cars out there.
Have I misunderstood something...caspy, did yours have the "big" headers?
>> Edited by BO55 VXR on Friday 6th January 15:57
damien42 said:
Hi all, recently found this excellent site and have a question. Am looking to change my car for something with a V8. reading up on this site it seems that a 354bhp cv8 (2005) with a Wortec remap and exhaust will produce about 400 horses with similar torque.
Now, the other car i am considering is a 2003 M5 which has 400 hhp, 700cc's less capacity. both are manuals, and i believe the monaro maybe slightly lighter.
Would I be right in assuming that the Monaro with the above mods would hold its own against the M5 or mavbe even beat it?.
Damien, the point about the HSVs/Monaros goes way past ultimate straight line performance. Its about owning a car that will always entertain you,make you smile with its exhaust note,handling,rarity,street cred and have no snob value.I had a HSV for 4 years and before buying had loaned to me a M5 for a weekend.Now no-one in their right mind is going to say it's a bad car 'cos it's obviously not, BUT after doing 250 miles in various conditions that weekend, not once did I ever look back at it with any affection,(if anything it was just tooo clinical and efficient.I never ever regretted my decision.The Monaro will be way cheaper in the long in running costs and you'll rejoice in the fact that cars like the Monaro are still made!
When I bought my first HSV new in Sep. 2000, the only real alternatives where the M5 & E55. Neither were anywhere near as entertaining to drive as the HSV. Plus with 5 years ownership experience, I can safely say that the two HSV's I had were much much cheaper to run than a M5 would have been.
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Have I misunderstood something...caspy, did yours have the "big" headers?
>> Edited by BO55 VXR on Friday 6th January 15:57[/quote]
Yep, mine has 4-1 long tubes. Just meant that my post refered to customer cars being quick, not mine.
Its that friday feeling!!!!!!
caspy said:
Who's getting(got)big headed(ers)....I assume the results are pretty damn good by this small note!!
No no no...wasnt talking about mine. Some very very quick customer cars out there.
Have I misunderstood something...caspy, did yours have the "big" headers?
>> Edited by BO55 VXR on Friday 6th January 15:57[/quote]
Yep, mine has 4-1 long tubes. Just meant that my post refered to customer cars being quick, not mine.
Its that friday feeling!!!!!!
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Damien, the point about the HSVs/Monaros goes way past ultimate straight line performance. Its about owning a car that will always entertain you,make you smile with its exhaust note,handling,rarity,street cred and have no snob value.I had a HSV for 4 years and before buying had loaned to me a M5 for a weekend.Now no-one in their right mind is going to say it's a bad car 'cos it's obviously not, BUT after doing 250 miles in various conditions that weekend, not once did I ever look back at it with any affection,(if anything it was just tooo clinical and efficient.I never ever regretted my decision.The Monaro will be way cheaper in the long in running costs and you'll rejoice in the fact that cars like the Monaro are still made![/quote]
Hear hear!! Also ownership includes interacting at meets and on here with real enthusiasts, getting asked at the petrol station '...what is it???' accompanied by huge grins. Thumbs up from other drivers often, people dropping the window to listen to the exhaust on the motorway etc etc etc
I dont know with the BM, but i have never had that response in an E55 or various BRABUS incarnations. The fact that it out performs them with a few tweeks is just a bonus.
IMHO
PS
Nice being let out at junctions etc
damien42 said:
Hi all, recently found this excellent site and have a question. Am looking to change my car for something with a V8. reading up on this site it seems that a 354bhp cv8 (2005) with a Wortec remap and exhaust will produce about 400 horses with similar torque.
Now, the other car i am considering is a 2003 M5 which has 400 hhp, 700cc's less capacity. both are manuals, and i believe the monaro maybe slightly lighter.
Would I be right in assuming that the Monaro with the above mods would hold its own against the M5 or mavbe even beat it?.
Damien, the point about the HSVs/Monaros goes way past ultimate straight line performance. Its about owning a car that will always entertain you,make you smile with its exhaust note,handling,rarity,street cred and have no snob value.I had a HSV for 4 years and before buying had loaned to me a M5 for a weekend.Now no-one in their right mind is going to say it's a bad car 'cos it's obviously not, BUT after doing 250 miles in various conditions that weekend, not once did I ever look back at it with any affection,(if anything it was just tooo clinical and efficient.I never ever regretted my decision.The Monaro will be way cheaper in the long in running costs and you'll rejoice in the fact that cars like the Monaro are still made![/quote]
Hear hear!! Also ownership includes interacting at meets and on here with real enthusiasts, getting asked at the petrol station '...what is it???' accompanied by huge grins. Thumbs up from other drivers often, people dropping the window to listen to the exhaust on the motorway etc etc etc
I dont know with the BM, but i have never had that response in an E55 or various BRABUS incarnations. The fact that it out performs them with a few tweeks is just a bonus.
IMHO
PS
Nice being let out at junctions etc
Dan_S V8 said:
The monaro is a far more entertaining car than the Munich taxi...
With respect, I strongly disagree.
The Monaro is an awesome car but having driven a 6.0 VXR last week it is far from fit to mix the M5's drinks.
That is not to say a modified one wouldn't be a superior drive but out the box - no fecking way.
Both decent cars - I guess it is down to personal choice.
BMW - great car no doubt but 50k when new and looks pretty much like any other 5 series.
Monaro - great car no doubt, better value no electronic gremlins, stand out but not in a Maxpower way and for a very modest investment will blow the pants off the V8 M5. Oh and people will not think you are an a&^**(hole.
Clarkson broke 3 Beemers(new M5, their diffs)where as the Monaro broke him...
I have a Monaro and love it and I happen to really like certain Beemers as well but you do get treated differently in the Thunder from Down Under
BMW - great car no doubt but 50k when new and looks pretty much like any other 5 series.
Monaro - great car no doubt, better value no electronic gremlins, stand out but not in a Maxpower way and for a very modest investment will blow the pants off the V8 M5. Oh and people will not think you are an a&^**(hole.
Clarkson broke 3 Beemers(new M5, their diffs)where as the Monaro broke him...
I have a Monaro and love it and I happen to really like certain Beemers as well but you do get treated differently in the Thunder from Down Under
Der, nice to see you hovering here,I WILL convert you one day! I think "entertainment" takes varying forms, one of them not necessarily being superior, thats why I was careful not to say that in my original post. I found the M5 an awesome car( apart from the bloody fussy traction control!) but one I could never fall in love with, smile at, lock it walk away and glance back etc. The M5 IS a great car but for me not an entertaining one.
M5's of all variants are great cars as are M3's but...they are cold & clinical and have no character that I can make out.
They aren't muscle cars like the Monaro is and that's why the 2 are different.
'tis like comparing a TVR to a 350z.
Both will go blisteringly quickly but the TVR has that bit of je ne cais qua that the Nissan will never have.
They aren't muscle cars like the Monaro is and that's why the 2 are different.
'tis like comparing a TVR to a 350z.
Both will go blisteringly quickly but the TVR has that bit of je ne cais qua that the Nissan will never have.
Dan_S V8 said:
I'll assume you're talking about the new M5 - the author of this thread was referring to the older model. The new M5 is certainly quicker than any Monaro in stock form, but is it more entertaining? At nearly double the price I would hope so but I somehow doubt it.
Dan,
I'm referring to the venerable E39 dowager which can be bought for buttons these days.
The standard car does 180 'sans limiter' which is ok and if not, speak to German outfit Nowack, as an option.
I simply will not have it that these GM bruisers can match the kraut aristocrat - when the two were lined up at home recently, the yank lump sounded like Tommy Lee quoting Shakespeare after three nights of bad sh1t - the Beemer was immediately akin to Patrick Stewart in full King Lear.
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the Monaro, there's little doubt it's comparably dragtastic but as a whole, it remains unresolved by comparison.
Frankly, it is not that cheap in real terms so I don't buy the 'expense; argument anymore.
Used E39 M5s are for nowt these days.
The only benefit is not being a tw@t which is fair enough.
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