£52,500 SAGARIS
Discussion
It comes down to buying the car you want on the assumption that you can afford it - anything else will just be a compromise.
If I spent the best part of £50k on a Sag then comparing it to the T350 I would have bought a car that in my opinion was better looking than the T350, handled a bit better than a standard T350, might be a bit quicker in a straight line than a standard T350 and was certainly slightly rarer than the T350. The question though is whether these marginal differences are worth a £20-25k premium. For me the answer is obviously not and I am not a T350 apologist. I wouldn't buy a Sag under any circumstances as I can't get on with the looks and I'm not convinced a Sag is actually a better car than my red rose T350. The previous owner of my car told me a story about how he took it to the Ring with a friend who had Sag and round the corners the Sag was marginally quicker but in a straight line it couldn't keep up with the T350 - both cars were factory standard.
If I spent the best part of £50k on a Sag then comparing it to the T350 I would have bought a car that in my opinion was better looking than the T350, handled a bit better than a standard T350, might be a bit quicker in a straight line than a standard T350 and was certainly slightly rarer than the T350. The question though is whether these marginal differences are worth a £20-25k premium. For me the answer is obviously not and I am not a T350 apologist. I wouldn't buy a Sag under any circumstances as I can't get on with the looks and I'm not convinced a Sag is actually a better car than my red rose T350. The previous owner of my car told me a story about how he took it to the Ring with a friend who had Sag and round the corners the Sag was marginally quicker but in a straight line it couldn't keep up with the T350 - both cars were factory standard.
s5tvr said:
I wouldn't buy a Sag under any circumstances as I can't get on with the looks
Well, funny you should say that but I felt the same way when I went out to buy a T350 (or at least test drive one). I didn't gel with it, didn't feel it was any faster than my Chimaera 500, and was a little downhearted. I was persuaded to drive the Sagaris despite my protestations that I didn't like the styling and fell in love with it, rationalising that when I was inside it it didn't overly matter what it looked like on the outside. Ironically, I very quickly fell in love with the looks and absolutely love it now.
Anyway, I'm really happy for T350 owners who have cars that are way better than a Sagaris, and faster, and look better, and are better value for money, and are better in every way that a Sagaris. Bravo. Viva la Difference.
Why do you feel the need to compare your car to a Sagaris though? Got something to prove?
JonRB said:
Anyway, I'm really happy for T350 owners who have cars that are way better than a Sagaris, and faster, and look better, and are better value for money, and are better in every way that a Sagaris. Bravo. Viva la Difference.
Why do you feel the need to compare your car to a Sagaris though? Got something to prove?
You started the comparisons - your comment from earlier:Why do you feel the need to compare your car to a Sagaris though? Got something to prove?
"so owning a T350 will turn many owners into apologists who try to convince themselves and others that the T350 is 'as good as' a Sagaris. And it isn't"
I'm just not an apologist and neither I suspect are the majority of T350 owners. T350's are great value for what they give you but a Sag costs considerably more yet only give a little extra. As an example rather than a £50k Sag how about a £40k GT-R plus change ?
s5tvr said:
T350's are great value for what they give you but a Sag costs considerably more yet only give a little extra.
I totally agree with you. To be honest, a majority of my comments have been tongue in cheek and, if anything, a mark of a Sagaris owner trying to justify (in his own mind) why he has something so much more expensive when, in all honesty, the T350 really *is* almost as good.
Peace
JonRB said:
I totally agree with you.
To be honest, a majority of my comments have been tongue in cheek and, if anything, a mark of a Sagaris owner trying to justify (in his own mind) why he has something so much more expensive when, in all honesty, the T350 really *is* almost as good.
Peace
For me personally, its about the styling.. We can argue the internal set-up being very similar and go around that for a few pages but just put a T350 and Sagaris on display together. To be honest, a majority of my comments have been tongue in cheek and, if anything, a mark of a Sagaris owner trying to justify (in his own mind) why he has something so much more expensive when, in all honesty, the T350 really *is* almost as good.
Peace
Ask Joe public what they think its better, how much more expensive the Sagaris looks - and you`ll find the premium for a Sagaris is justified - at least from my experience.
KillerJim said:
JonRB said:
I totally agree with you.
To be honest, a majority of my comments have been tongue in cheek and, if anything, a mark of a Sagaris owner trying to justify (in his own mind) why he has something so much more expensive when, in all honesty, the T350 really *is* almost as good.
Peace
For me personally, its about the styling.. We can argue the internal set-up being very similar and go around that for a few pages but just put a T350 and Sagaris on display together. To be honest, a majority of my comments have been tongue in cheek and, if anything, a mark of a Sagaris owner trying to justify (in his own mind) why he has something so much more expensive when, in all honesty, the T350 really *is* almost as good.
Peace
Ask Joe public what they think its better, how much more expensive the Sagaris looks - and you`ll find the premium for a Sagaris is justified - at least from my experience.
JonRB said:
a mark of a Sagaris owner trying to justify (in his own mind) why he has something so much more expensive
Dont tar us all with the same brush, I know of a few owners on here who don't need to justify anything as they paid less than the price of a few T350's that are in the classifieds. And stop bickering you pair, You both drive TVR's. As for a 40k gtr and change or a sagaris. Your joking right? I'd feel then need to prove I had the fastest car in the world if I had a GTR. In a Sagaris I feel the need to prove nothing. The smiles on people's faces when they see it is enough for me
Owwww these sort of discussions give me a headache. I've decided the only solution is to get one of each model TVR produced.
Owned 8 over the years, regret selling every one of the 6 that have gone leaving 2 in the stable. Now looking for a SEAC, then a 4.5 Cerb, then..... They are all desirable and unique, the only question is you own personal priority list (oh, the Chim is bottom of my list
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Owned 8 over the years, regret selling every one of the 6 that have gone leaving 2 in the stable. Now looking for a SEAC, then a 4.5 Cerb, then..... They are all desirable and unique, the only question is you own personal priority list (oh, the Chim is bottom of my list
)As a unique, rare, British, fast and good looking alternative to a TVR... just wanted to bring your attention to this little known beast.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3804829.htm
Appreciating too, just like a Sag
If you're 22 and your idea of an antique is a play station one then Marcos won't mean a damn thing to you... but here's Hamster for a quick lesson! And he mentions the Sagaris, woop! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiCB6pP6EEo
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3804829.htm
Appreciating too, just like a Sag
If you're 22 and your idea of an antique is a play station one then Marcos won't mean a damn thing to you... but here's Hamster for a quick lesson! And he mentions the Sagaris, woop! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiCB6pP6EEo
but house renovations take priority at the moment.
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