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s5tvr
1,216 posts
102 months
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It comes down to buying the car you want on the assumption that you can afford it - anything else will just be a compromise. If I spent the best part of £50k on a Sag then comparing it to the T350 I would have bought a car that in my opinion was better looking than the T350, handled a bit better than a standard T350, might be a bit quicker in a straight line than a standard T350 and was certainly slightly rarer than the T350. The question though is whether these marginal differences are worth a £20-25k premium. For me the answer is obviously not and I am not a T350 apologist. I wouldn't buy a Sag under any circumstances as I can't get on with the looks and I'm not convinced a Sag is actually a better car than my red rose T350. The previous owner of my car told me a story about how he took it to the Ring with a friend who had Sag and round the corners the Sag was marginally quicker but in a straight line it couldn't keep up with the T350 - both cars were factory standard.
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JonRB
39,493 posts
141 months
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s5tvr said: I wouldn't buy a Sag under any circumstances as I can't get on with the looks Well, funny you should say that but I felt the same way when I went out to buy a T350 (or at least test drive one). I didn't gel with it, didn't feel it was any faster than my Chimaera 500, and was a little downhearted. I was persuaded to drive the Sagaris despite my protestations that I didn't like the styling and fell in love with it, rationalising that when I was inside it it didn't overly matter what it looked like on the outside. Ironically, I very quickly fell in love with the looks and absolutely love it now. Anyway, I'm really happy for T350 owners who have cars that are way better than a Sagaris, and faster, and look better, and are better value for money, and are better in every way that a Sagaris. Bravo. Viva la Difference. Why do you feel the need to compare your car to a Sagaris though? Got something to prove? 
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TVR_owner
3,305 posts
60 months
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s5tvr said: both cars were factory standard. Not quite true though is it ... 
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s5tvr
1,216 posts
102 months
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TVR_owner said: Not quite true though is it ...  Standard in the respect that that's how it rolled out of the factory gates but yes not quite a standard factory red rose spec.
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s5tvr
1,216 posts
102 months
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JonRB said: Anyway, I'm really happy for T350 owners who have cars that are way better than a Sagaris, and faster, and look better, and are better value for money, and are better in every way that a Sagaris. Bravo. Viva la Difference. Why do you feel the need to compare your car to a Sagaris though? Got something to prove?  You started the comparisons - your comment from earlier: "so owning a T350 will turn many owners into apologists who try to convince themselves and others that the T350 is 'as good as' a Sagaris. And it isn't" I'm just not an apologist and neither I suspect are the majority of T350 owners. T350's are great value for what they give you but a Sag costs considerably more yet only give a little extra. As an example rather than a £50k Sag how about a £40k GT-R plus change ?
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JonRB
39,493 posts
141 months
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s5tvr said: T350's are great value for what they give you but a Sag costs considerably more yet only give a little extra. I totally agree with you. To be honest, a majority of my comments have been tongue in cheek and, if anything, a mark of a Sagaris owner trying to justify (in his own mind) why he has something so much more expensive when, in all honesty, the T350 really *is* almost as good.  Peace 
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KillerJim
895 posts
72 months
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JonRB said: I totally agree with you. To be honest, a majority of my comments have been tongue in cheek and, if anything, a mark of a Sagaris owner trying to justify (in his own mind) why he has something so much more expensive when, in all honesty, the T350 really *is* almost as good.  Peace  For me personally, its about the styling.. We can argue the internal set-up being very similar and go around that for a few pages but just put a T350 and Sagaris on display together. Ask Joe public what they think its better, how much more expensive the Sagaris looks - and you`ll find the premium for a Sagaris is justified - at least from my experience.
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madbadger
9,132 posts
113 months
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KillerJim said: JonRB said: I totally agree with you. To be honest, a majority of my comments have been tongue in cheek and, if anything, a mark of a Sagaris owner trying to justify (in his own mind) why he has something so much more expensive when, in all honesty, the T350 really *is* almost as good.  Peace  For me personally, its about the styling.. We can argue the internal set-up being very similar and go around that for a few pages but just put a T350 and Sagaris on display together. Ask Joe public what they think its better, how much more expensive the Sagaris looks - and you`ll find the premium for a Sagaris is justified - at least from my experience. Except generally Joe Public is an idiot who drives a boring mass produced diesel and thinks they will both break down a lot, so we really shouldn't take too much notice of his opinion. 
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crimbo
898 posts
97 months
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JonRB said: a mark of a Sagaris owner trying to justify (in his own mind) why he has something so much more expensive Dont tar us all with the same brush, I know of a few owners on here who don't need to justify anything as they paid less than the price of a few T350's that are in the classifieds. And stop bickering you pair, You both drive TVR's. As for a 40k gtr and change or a sagaris. Your joking right? I'd feel then need to prove I had the fastest car in the world if I had a GTR. In a Sagaris I feel the need to prove nothing. The smiles on people's faces when they see it is enough for me 
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pauldavies85
264 posts
55 months
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Sorry but am I the only person who thought the 350 was for girls?
That is a joke before I get shot down, I like them in the right colour but I definitely prefer both the sag and Tuscan 2 s!
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alex_gray255
3,033 posts
74 months
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Waving Willy, RIP  
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DonkeyApple
12,025 posts
38 months
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Let's face the uncomfortable truth here. The elephant in the room (not me the metaphorical one) Both T350 and Sags are for girls and everyone really wishes they had a Typhon. 
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JonRB
39,493 posts
141 months
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crim said: And stop bickering you pair I wasn't bickering - as I said, it was all tongue in cheek and I thought I'd better clarify that in case people thought I was being serious. 
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Don1
8,995 posts
77 months
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DonkeyApple said: Let's face the uncomfortable truth here. The elephant in the room (not me the metaphorical one) Both T350 and Sags are for girls and everyone really wishes they had a Typhon.  If I wanted a Typhon, I'd go for a S6 Cerb and a few other cars.... 
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DonkeyApple
12,025 posts
38 months
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Don1 said: If I wanted a Typhon, I'd go for a S6 Cerb and a few other cars....  The insane ramblings of a Philistine. 
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Englishman
874 posts
79 months
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Owwww these sort of discussions give me a headache. I've decided the only solution is to get one of each model TVR produced. Owned 8 over the years, regret selling every one of the 6 that have gone leaving 2 in the stable. Now looking for a SEAC, then a 4.5 Cerb, then..... They are all desirable and unique, the only question is you own personal priority list (oh, the Chim is bottom of my list  )
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crimbo
898 posts
97 months
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I too would like a 4.5litre cerbie
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AOK
798 posts
35 months
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As a unique, rare, British, fast and good looking alternative to a TVR... just wanted to bring your attention to this little known beast. http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3804829.htmAppreciating too, just like a Sag  If you're 22 and your idea of an antique is a play station one then Marcos won't mean a damn thing to you... but here's Hamster for a quick lesson! And he mentions the Sagaris, woop! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiCB6pP6EEo
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alex_gray255
3,033 posts
74 months
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Yes, I consider that one earlier this week when first came up. Only problem is no support network for Marcos now. Only 2 companies in the uk I could find and only one small firm with right to make parts. Expensive if it goes bang, very expensive...
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Getsis
1,314 posts
85 months
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I would take the TSO over the Sagaris. I wish I had the cash to buy the one in the advert  but house renovations take priority at the moment. I think this is the only car I would sell the Tamora for 
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