Sagaris type car
Discussion
ChrisPap said:
I, like many people will be interested to see how this goes. If it can be done for an all up price of £30k then there may be a small market in the UK
I don't see how that will be possible unless you can get a write off T-car for a couple of grand.What's the donor car for? Interior? The kit includes chassis and body and those that appear to have done this project thoroughly have uprated drivetrain, suspension, brakes, rad, etc.
Whilst there are quite a few top quality kit cars available, some of them original designs, the whole point of a replica sag would be for people to a car with Sag style for less than Sag cash.
With real Sags running 55 to 60k, you could buy all sorts of fantastic and arguably better machinery, V12 Ferraris, Lambos and Astons at least, as well as just about anything else with 8 ot 10 cylinders. But you buy a Sag because you want a Sag, something raw and crazy to look at. That's the desirability of a Sag, and exactly what any project would hope to cash in on.
With real Sags running 55 to 60k, you could buy all sorts of fantastic and arguably better machinery, V12 Ferraris, Lambos and Astons at least, as well as just about anything else with 8 ot 10 cylinders. But you buy a Sag because you want a Sag, something raw and crazy to look at. That's the desirability of a Sag, and exactly what any project would hope to cash in on.
Actually Don, with respect to an owner, I'd argue that it is ONLY the looks that make a Sag so special.
When it's on a kids bedroom wall poster he's not admiring the bilstiens, the slightly wider track or the different suspension pick up points. Each of which are small modifications which can be easily replicated by lots of companies in the UK.
The interior is (seat dependant) identical to the t-350 except for driver side headroom is it not?
Has anyone ever bought a Sag primarily because it rides slightly better than a standard T-car? Especially when it's an extra 30 grand!
And the noise from the exhausts, is it really very different to any other SP6, and can they not be made to sound the same or even better?
When it's on a kids bedroom wall poster he's not admiring the bilstiens, the slightly wider track or the different suspension pick up points. Each of which are small modifications which can be easily replicated by lots of companies in the UK.
The interior is (seat dependant) identical to the t-350 except for driver side headroom is it not?
Has anyone ever bought a Sag primarily because it rides slightly better than a standard T-car? Especially when it's an extra 30 grand!
And the noise from the exhausts, is it really very different to any other SP6, and can they not be made to sound the same or even better?
spitfire4v8 said:
To be fair to the OP he's not building a Sagaris, but a Sagaris type car. I doubt many people in MR2/355 clones worry that it's not got a proper V8 or that the suspension wasn't honed my Herr Schumi around Maranello when they're parked at McDonalds ..
TBH, it's difficult to know what people who drive an MR2 covered in body filler thinking it passes for a 355 DO worry about 
If i'm interpreting the OP' post correctly what he's actually talking about is a kit car that has a body shape which shares more than a passing resemblance to a Sagaris.
I don't think he's suggesting you need a TVR as a donor, the chassis could be a completely new design, using running gear from a single donor or various production cars.
17k for body, chassis and glass is top money for a kit though, and by the time you figure in an engine package, running gear, paint, wheels, interior and everything else needed to complete a car
then i don't think 30k is anywhere near realistic for a half decent build. Newish decent spec Ultimas are advertised for 50 or 60k plus, and i'm guessing most builders are losing money at that.
Al.
I don't think he's suggesting you need a TVR as a donor, the chassis could be a completely new design, using running gear from a single donor or various production cars.
17k for body, chassis and glass is top money for a kit though, and by the time you figure in an engine package, running gear, paint, wheels, interior and everything else needed to complete a car
then i don't think 30k is anywhere near realistic for a half decent build. Newish decent spec Ultimas are advertised for 50 or 60k plus, and i'm guessing most builders are losing money at that.
Al.
I can't see the kit "sag" being built for less than £50k as a minimum. So it doesn't really work when you could go out and have this: http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/use... And not have to get your hands dirty. If the blurb is to be believed, it has all the reliability mods you could want.
There would not seem to be a shortage of v8 muscle car type kits in the market, so why would I go for an unproven one (when spending a huge sum of money) just because it looks like a TVR when there are a world of alternatives? Sorry to be negative, but the unique selling point seems a bit weak to me on this one.
There would not seem to be a shortage of v8 muscle car type kits in the market, so why would I go for an unproven one (when spending a huge sum of money) just because it looks like a TVR when there are a world of alternatives? Sorry to be negative, but the unique selling point seems a bit weak to me on this one.
If true that TVR were losing money selling every T-car at a loss nearly 10 years ago (Sagaris £55k list ??) then I think I tend to agree with others that even with a donor car, trying to do this kind of project on what can only be small scale to produce a sagalike for under £55k is a pipe dream.
Option 1 - Sagaris £55k
Option 2 - Sagalike £55k
Hmmm, Option 1 me thinks
Option 1 - Sagaris £55k
Option 2 - Sagalike £55k
Hmmm, Option 1 me thinks
Edited by RedSpike66 on Wednesday 2nd January 22:36
GTRene said:
not bad, I like the side pipes and louvres under the door were the exhaust sits behind.
also the gullwing door type, ofcorse for road-cars you would have to make little changes here and there, but looking through all that it could be something.
Little changes?! Given the main purpose of driving a TVR, a passenger seat would be a start. Though after explaining why there's a day's embarrassing journey across the sill, unpleasant smell and heat soak from the side exhaust, unbearable tyre noise, a harness strap making nice skirts a no no, constant threat of head injury and why we can't go on any journey that involves excessive road camber or sleeping policemen.... On second thoughts, it won't need a passenger seat also the gullwing door type, ofcorse for road-cars you would have to make little changes here and there, but looking through all that it could be something.
LMRACER said:
If its got the same engine as being used in "uprated" TVR's , and its body is taken from Sag. moulds then why would it be similar to an MR2 Ferrari rep.?
Not looking to start a fight ,just asking ...as I am personally very interested in owning one for the reasons I mentioned...currently available(new) parts and a chassis that will not rust..along with it already having the otherwise expensive LS engine installation..
I'm with LMRACER on this. I would also be in the market at that price. It would be interesting to see how much a fully assembled car would be as well.Not looking to start a fight ,just asking ...as I am personally very interested in owning one for the reasons I mentioned...currently available(new) parts and a chassis that will not rust..along with it already having the otherwise expensive LS engine installation..
Edited by LMRACER on Tuesday 1st January 22:24
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