Will sags hit 60k this year?

Will sags hit 60k this year?

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alex_gray255

6,313 posts

204 months

Tuesday 24th November 2015
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A few cars seem to vanish each year offshore or to insurance write offs, so the numbers
are going down.

Yes, they are not the greatest cars for the price, but I think they will go the "classic"
route due to their looks and power.

As to the prices, well, only time will tell. If TVR does take of again in a good way, then
the affect can only be positive.

But it is interesting to note that TVR prices over the last couple of years seem to have
been going up and up. May the trend continue.

tvrtuscans

1,009 posts

210 months

Tuesday 24th November 2015
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Rocco1 said:
Ropps said:
I agree with Rocco, it all boils down to Supply and demand.

It only takes a few of the SUPERCAR owners to dip their toes into the TVR world to see what you can get for your money from a Sagaris (looks/driveability/performance)

Rocco I would be interested to hear what your fellow supercar owners say about the Sagaris and even to hear if there are any temptations already for them to purchase ?


I believe there are 130ish around on the UK roads, so pretty rare.. I can only see them going up!!

So get one quick before its to late.... smile
130 is a high number for it to become a very sort after (imo)
As for what my mates think of tvr's is subjective,how can you compare a car that is allegedly good for 170mph yet it feels like its going to fall apart at 140 lol
The build quality is shocking SORRY but im just voicing my opinion yet what it sets apart from many other supercars is how it performs,it is a masterpiece for doing roads like the evo triangle and not a bad gt car too
The only thing is for £70k there are many other cars out there that have a better build quality and better performance but nothing makes danger exciting like a Sag :-)
Hmmm...so £80/£90/£100K for the production car...how much for the one-off factory Sagaris Road/Track prototype me thinks smile...unique and irreplaceable .....

gacksen

680 posts

142 months

Tuesday 24th November 2015
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when the actual roadcar will hit the streets for let´s say 70/80/90K prices won´t maybe drop but will come to a
halt me thinks. as the brand will get more attention to it what will raise for sure is the Tuscan/T350 and Tam prices. Especially the T350 as technically theres not much difference except of looks. to get rid of all those gremlins the factory didn´t mind to bring it to a modern standard youre well in the region of a high 1x to mid 2x in pounds + buying price if you get the work done by a garage. of course depends on the view of the buyer.

if i could chose to have either 2x T350 or one sag ill take the T350 as the air is quite thin in 70K market and there is a wide range of cars available that will hold value and give me less trouble. as for the T350 i do see some movement upwards in the future.

PuffsBack

2,428 posts

224 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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gacksen said:
Especially the T350 as technically theres not much difference except of looks..
There is a big oily bit in the front full of valves and pistons that is quite different smile

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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PuffsBack said:
gacksen said:
Especially the T350 as technically theres not much difference except of looks..
There is a big oily bit in the front full of valves and pistons that is quite different smile
Really? Quite different??

Aside from looks, I would have said the chassis differences are the bigger (more difficult to replicate).

Both very competent cars though smile

gacksen

680 posts

142 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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sag has different pickup points, taller shocks and thicker ARB and of course the 4.0 oily bit biggrin
if geo is set up well both cars will deliver.


Legacywr

12,016 posts

187 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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As a relative outsider, I can tell you there is quite a large void between a Sagaris and any other TVR, value wise.

V8 GRF

7,294 posts

209 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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TVRMs said:
PuffsBack said:
gacksen said:
Especially the T350 as technically theres not much difference except of looks..
There is a big oily bit in the front full of valves and pistons that is quite different smile
Really? Quite different??

Aside from looks, I would have said the chassis differences are the bigger (more difficult to replicate).

Both very competent cars though smile
I'd be surprised if there's any difference in 'the big oily bit' TVR only claimed S spec for the Sagaris which was claimed to have 15 bhp and 30lbs torque more than the standard Speed 6 so knowing TVR claims........

As John said the suspension/chassis differences are going to be the bigger differentiator.

PuffsBack

2,428 posts

224 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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V8 GRF said:
I'd be surprised if there's any difference in 'the big oily bit' TVR only claimed S spec for the Sagaris which was claimed to have 15 bhp and 30lbs torque more than the standard Speed 6 so knowing TVR claims........

As John said the suspension/chassis differences are going to be the bigger differentiator.
Thought we were talking T350 compared to Sag in which case 400cc is quite a big difference!

gacksen

680 posts

142 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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PuffsBack said:
Thought we were talking T350 compared to Sag in which case 400cc is quite a big difference!
engine wise the 3.6 unit is the more radical unit. 400cc means only an increase in torque
in the lower end and a reduction in overall rpm at the higher end. if you drive the 3.6 unit
that has less torque in the lower end on track you wont notice that much as you keep revs up high.
for regular street driving and bantering along the more CC you have the better road manners you get.
for sure both units nice engines.

JLF

418 posts

200 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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V8 GRF said:
I'd be surprised if there's any difference in 'the big oily bit' TVR only claimed S spec for the Sagaris which was claimed to have 15 bhp and 30lbs torque more than the standard Speed 6 so knowing TVR claims........

As John said the suspension/chassis differences are going to be the bigger differentiator.
I experienced a big difference between the two engines. I loved my Tamora and I would have another in a heart beat but it was no street racer. A well tuned MR2 Turbo would out perform it. The 4.0 was however a big jump, fealt more accomplished and eager. Having driven the 4.5....that is a massive jump again.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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JLF said:
V8 GRF said:
I'd be surprised if there's any difference in 'the big oily bit' TVR only claimed S spec for the Sagaris which was claimed to have 15 bhp and 30lbs torque more than the standard Speed 6 so knowing TVR claims........

As John said the suspension/chassis differences are going to be the bigger differentiator.
I experienced a big difference between the two engines. I loved my Tamora and I would have another in a heart beat but it was no street racer. A well tuned MR2 Turbo would out perform it. The 4.0 was however a big jump, fealt more accomplished and eager. Having driven the 4.5....that is a massive jump again.
Driving and driving a car to what it can do?

The 4.0 litre has more torque, is less eager and suits lazy drivers. I'll stop now.


Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 25th November 20:57

gacksen

680 posts

142 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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JLF said:
I experienced a big difference between the two engines. I loved my Tamora and I would have another in a heart beat but it was no street racer. A well tuned MR2 Turbo would out perform it. The 4.0 was however a big jump, fealt more accomplished and eager. Having driven the 4.5....that is a massive jump again.
Remembers me of the usual suspects at open trackdays with rotten cars beating the crap out of inexperienced drivers with brand new porkers biggrin

RobertoBlanco

265 posts

128 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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Legacywr said:
As a relative outsider, I can tell you there is quite a large void between a Sagaris and any other TVR, value wise.
True, but value is not a car trait when we talk about driving capabilities. If you look at the market today, car values mostly have nothing to do with the car itself at all. Sometimes because they are rare or some celebrity farted into the seats cushion. It's often just the craziness of people throwing money at vintage cars and then letting them rot in a hidden garage only to be seen again at some concours.

Personally I do not understand the hype around Sags at all. If it's just because it is the last TVR that was built before TVR closed its doors, then I can surely do without. People talk about an upgrade of build quality compared to other T-cars. Maybe I'm biased, but I couldn't see that at all on the Sags i've seen.
Other than that I prefer the looks of the T350 over the Sagaris's. When we talk about chassis, I would agree, that the Sagaris' chassis is surely the more refined one giving potentially better driving performance.

As for the discussion 3.6 vs. 4.0: In normal driving situations I noticed a bit more low down torque in the 4.0. A whiff more revviness of the 3.6, with a more noticable increase in power above 4k rpms than in the 4.0. (I'm talking about normal driving here)
I believe that you would notice a bigger difference in a well tuned angine to a not so well tuned engine than between a 3.6 and a 4.0.
Would be really interesting to see how many would feel the difference between 4.0 and 3.6 in a blind back-to-back comparison....

chris watton

22,477 posts

259 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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Rocco1 said:
Difference between a Tamora, Sag and Aston V8 Vantage

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sv4pjEG_3Aw&feat...
Is that a standard 3.6 Tam?

There are a few out there with the 4.3 upgrade, and are quite a few Kg lighter that the coupe versions.

Having said that, mine's used for the twisties, that's where the fun is..

Rocco1

3,081 posts

182 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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chris watton said:
Is that a standard 3.6 Tam?

There are a few out there with the 4.3 upgrade, and are quite a few Kg lighter that the coupe versions.

Having said that, mine's used for the twisties, that's where the fun is..
Twisties such as the evo triangle???
If so there remain a vast difference

gacksen

680 posts

142 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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e.g. with a well setup chimaera as some people do have here i don´t see you making ground
on the twisties with a standard 4.0 engine. if you want to do a real comparison on a straight line
you need both standard engines with cats in place same diff and same gearbox cs they do make a big
difference in how the car feels and performs. also not to forget is the driver and how much you are
going to risk for going fast.

as for the videos i do prefer the more sunny side of things biggrin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAc8Cs4zb58



Edited by gacksen on Thursday 26th November 10:38

Targarama

14,635 posts

282 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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chris watton said:
Rocco1 said:
Difference between a Tamora, Sag and Aston V8 Vantage

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sv4pjEG_3Aw&feat...
Is that a standard 3.6 Tam?

There are a few out there with the 4.3 upgrade, and are quite a few Kg lighter that the coupe versions.

Having said that, mine's used for the twisties, that's where the fun is..
Not really a decent comparison. The Tamora slowed due to another car in his lane ahead. Driver, gearing and level of insanity dictate which of these is faster. Personally I find my 3.6 with a 3.9 final drive more than fast enough for the road. A 4.3 or LS v8 would be nice but I see no need to go any faster than I already can, which I find interesting since my view used to be that you can't have too much power... age eh :_

chris watton

22,477 posts

259 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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Targarama said:
Not really a decent comparison. The Tamora slowed due to another car in his lane ahead. Driver, gearing and level of insanity dictate which of these is faster. Personally I find my 3.6 with a 3.9 final drive more than fast enough for the road. A 4.3 or LS v8 would be nice but I see no need to go any faster than I already can, which I find interesting since my view used to be that you can't have too much power... age eh :_
Hi Targ! smile

I agree. In all honesty, the 3.6 was plenty fast enough for me, never got bored with the power. It's just that I wanted the 4.3 as much for the warranty/reliability, although the extra grunt is pretty intoxicating..

Targarama

14,635 posts

282 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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chris watton said:
Targarama said:
Not really a decent comparison. The Tamora slowed due to another car in his lane ahead. Driver, gearing and level of insanity dictate which of these is faster. Personally I find my 3.6 with a 3.9 final drive more than fast enough for the road. A 4.3 or LS v8 would be nice but I see no need to go any faster than I already can, which I find interesting since my view used to be that you can't have too much power... age eh :_
Hi Targ! smile

I agree. In all honesty, the 3.6 was plenty fast enough for me, never got bored with the power. It's just that I wanted the 4.3 as much for the warranty/reliability, although the extra grunt is pretty intoxicating..
I agree its a good idea in general, and the torque must be fun. I'm certainly not being negative about upgrades (heck my car has had enough over the years). I'd have a 4.3 too if mine needed a rebuild. But after being caught by the fuzz twice in the last few months (first time ever in the UK, both unmarked cars), and that was in my 'slower' 306hp CLS smile I realise i actually don't really need any more power to kill myself smile