Will sags hit 60k this year?
Discussion
Rocco1 said:
Pursyluv said:
Well I have to say you've had some typical TVR s
t on this thread, but last Monday, and without being rude you were spunking about the Sag and now this, I forget who said it, but there's nowt so queer as folk, pmsl and yes it's 24psi 
Last Monday i hadnt driven the Sag in poor weather conditions, i feel much safer driving my other cars in the same poor weather conditions than the Sag.t on this thread, but last Monday, and without being rude you were spunking about the Sag and now this, I forget who said it, but there's nowt so queer as folk, pmsl and yes it's 24psi I would rather be honest than lie,dont feel safe in poor weather driving a Sag
I imagine F40s aren't too relaxing in bad weather either.
. Interesting thread. The Sag is a tough car to love compared to a lot of modern performance metal. The attention to detail, build quality, exaggerated performance figures and handling are all shocking in the modern world. The fun of ownership, IMO, is sorting all that out and getting the car in the shape you want. When you do get it sorted there is not much that will compare in looks and appeal. Thing is, that makes the bulk of cars out there individual and not truly original. For me I think the originality argument for a TVR is pointless...I would rather have a well sorted example where the interior has been upgraded, the handling sorted out, the engine rebuilt or changed and all the little oddities ironed out.
Are they worth the money? Yes for one that has been worked on. Nothing to compare. I honestly don't think the low mileage "original" ones are worth the cash. In 20 years when they are a true classic then perhaps big money.....but until then just drive it.
Rocco...good luck with the sale. You should try a a TVR with an LS7.......I had my one at 167 on a runway and it was still pulling like a train. Then I ran out of road....next upgrade was brakes.
Are they worth the money? Yes for one that has been worked on. Nothing to compare. I honestly don't think the low mileage "original" ones are worth the cash. In 20 years when they are a true classic then perhaps big money.....but until then just drive it.
Rocco...good luck with the sale. You should try a a TVR with an LS7.......I had my one at 167 on a runway and it was still pulling like a train. Then I ran out of road....next upgrade was brakes.
Edited by JLF on Sunday 29th November 14:28
30psi in a sag lol, that's only 25% harder than it should be. I accidentally ordered Xl tires for mine and that's made it tramline all over the place because the tires are to hard for a 1000kg car.
You must be pushing past legal limits for it to be scary on the road.
At the end of the day it has 4wheels and fully adjustable suspension you can get the car how you want it if your that bothered.
Get Mr varley or tailslide to take you out and you cant really complain about handling on a track.
Lack of performance lol. 0-100 in sub 9 all day. 80-100 in just over 2 seconds, cant really complain.
I cant drive it fast like it sounds you are having trouble too, but I think it's more about the size of my balls than the fact the car cant do it.
But if you are not enjoying it, don't want to drive slower, then sell up. Hold it until next year unless you get a good offer and swap it out. If you want the same colour and something faster I think a mp4-12c is an option.
But I'm sure you know what you want
You must be pushing past legal limits for it to be scary on the road.
At the end of the day it has 4wheels and fully adjustable suspension you can get the car how you want it if your that bothered.
Get Mr varley or tailslide to take you out and you cant really complain about handling on a track.
Lack of performance lol. 0-100 in sub 9 all day. 80-100 in just over 2 seconds, cant really complain.
I cant drive it fast like it sounds you are having trouble too, but I think it's more about the size of my balls than the fact the car cant do it.
But if you are not enjoying it, don't want to drive slower, then sell up. Hold it until next year unless you get a good offer and swap it out. If you want the same colour and something faster I think a mp4-12c is an option.
But I'm sure you know what you want
The Sag is what it is. Personally, I would never think of driving it nuts in winter or wet conditions because it will
try to exterminate you (and probably succeed!)
You can improve it by adding traction and launch control, that is not too difficult, but still it is a beast and should
be used mostly during dry conditions with a lot of healthy respect.
If you are after a fast modern car with all the fancy aids that disconnect you from the driving, then Porsche or
similar option would probably be the best route.
Evora perhaps? Nice medium between Sag and Porsche.
try to exterminate you (and probably succeed!)
You can improve it by adding traction and launch control, that is not too difficult, but still it is a beast and should
be used mostly during dry conditions with a lot of healthy respect.
If you are after a fast modern car with all the fancy aids that disconnect you from the driving, then Porsche or
similar option would probably be the best route.
Evora perhaps? Nice medium between Sag and Porsche.
I was sad to see the sagaris go when Tony left with it. I know exactly how he feels as the car, even a straight one with a great set up, does not inspire confidence like other more mainstream brands.
I thought it worth sharing that I moved on to a 2008 CLK Black series to replace the Sagaris, now THAT is something I think most TVR owners should try. The handling is fantastic, the noise is brutal, 500+ bhp and bags of torque from that 6.2 V8. It's absolutely the next step to take if your happy with auto or paddles. It will drift on demand and never let you down. Sadly even that still left me a bit numb and I've sold it on and a 997.2 GT3 RS will take its place in January. Manual, 450bhp and a big cage, racecar essentially, back to proper driving!
Fwiw, I'm keeping a close eye on the new TVR, if things come good for Les I'll be back in the fold in 2017.
I thought it worth sharing that I moved on to a 2008 CLK Black series to replace the Sagaris, now THAT is something I think most TVR owners should try. The handling is fantastic, the noise is brutal, 500+ bhp and bags of torque from that 6.2 V8. It's absolutely the next step to take if your happy with auto or paddles. It will drift on demand and never let you down. Sadly even that still left me a bit numb and I've sold it on and a 997.2 GT3 RS will take its place in January. Manual, 450bhp and a big cage, racecar essentially, back to proper driving!
Fwiw, I'm keeping a close eye on the new TVR, if things come good for Les I'll be back in the fold in 2017.
Edited by Hollowpockets on Wednesday 23 December 16:36
Hollowpockets said:
I was sad to see the sagaris go when Tony left with it. I know exactly how he feels as the car, even a straight one with a great set up, does not inspire confidence like other more mainstream brands.
I thought it worth sharing that I moved on to a 2008 CLK Black series to replace the Sagaris, now THAT is something I think most TVR owners should try. The handling is fantastic, the noise is brutal, 500+ bhp and bags of torque from that 6.2 V8. It's absolutely the next step to take if your happy with auto or paddles. It will drift on demand and never let you down. Sadly even that still left me a bit numb and I've sold it on and a 997.2 GT3 RS will take its place in January. Manual, 450bhp and a big cage, racecar essentially, back to proper driving!
Fwiw, I'm keeping a close eye on the new TVR, if things come good for Les I'll be back in the fold in 2017.
Hi Graham,not too sure if i want sell the Sag just yet,we have unfinished business lolI thought it worth sharing that I moved on to a 2008 CLK Black series to replace the Sagaris, now THAT is something I think most TVR owners should try. The handling is fantastic, the noise is brutal, 500+ bhp and bags of torque from that 6.2 V8. It's absolutely the next step to take if your happy with auto or paddles. It will drift on demand and never let you down. Sadly even that still left me a bit numb and I've sold it on and a 997.2 GT3 RS will take its place in January. Manual, 450bhp and a big cage, racecar essentially, back to proper driving!
Fwiw, I'm keeping a close eye on the new TVR, if things come good for Les I'll be back in the fold in 2017.
Edited by Hollowpockets on Wednesday 23 December 16:36
Think a friend of mine bought your CLK,was the buyer from near London and have you got the 675LT (lucky man)
All the best Merry Christmas
Edited by Rocco1 on Wednesday 23 December 18:05
Rocco1 said:
Hi Graham,not too sure if i want sell the Sag just yet,we have unfinished business lol
Think a friend of mine bought your CLK,was the buyer from near London and have you got the 675LT (lucky man)
All the best Merry Christmas
Missed out on it Think a friend of mine bought your CLK,was the buyer from near London and have you got the 675LT (lucky man)
All the best Merry Christmas
Edited by Rocco1 on Wednesday 23 December 18:05
TVRMs said:
Does anyone really change their mind after paying top dollar for their toy based on what a bunch of folk you've never met think?
Or is it just a piece of plastic st compared to the rest of the toybox and you can't con yourself in the medium term??
I think you are right there, the sag is never going to stand up to the other cars in his fleet, I think he realises that he can get a better handling car for Around 70 grand, at least he had the balls to spend that kind of money and give it a go...Or is it just a piece of plastic s
t compared to the rest of the toybox and you can't con yourself in the medium term??Rocco you will be missed............All the best with your next car.....
I still don't get it as it seems like you're saying you want a sports car that also performs faultlessly in poor conditions? Are the mainstream alternatives really that much better in bad weather considering there are now off the shelf solutions to put traction control on the Sag?
My Tuscan is fine in everything but standing water but then my Bmw nearly caught me out with that problem too.
I think it'd be a shame to sell up so soon (although you clearly have driving it some decent miles) and unfortunately I suspect there are very few buyers at 70k plus.
Interesting that hollowpockets is now going for a gt3 as this was a swap I was also considering so it'd be great to hear how you get on with it
My Tuscan is fine in everything but standing water but then my Bmw nearly caught me out with that problem too.
I think it'd be a shame to sell up so soon (although you clearly have driving it some decent miles) and unfortunately I suspect there are very few buyers at 70k plus.
Interesting that hollowpockets is now going for a gt3 as this was a swap I was also considering so it'd be great to hear how you get on with it
TOV!E said:
I think you are right there, the sag is never going to stand up to the other cars in his fleet, I think he realises that he can get a better handling car for Around 70 grand, at least he had the balls to spend that kind of money and give it a go...
Rocco you will be missed............All the best with your next car.....
Firstly and foremost im in no rush to sell the Sag,im out in it again this Sunday (its been patked up since 22nd November) and looking forward to the mental rush it gives me,just hope the weather is kind,who knows i may even change my mind and decide to keep it :-) Rocco you will be missed............All the best with your next car.....
Merry Christmas and all the best
Rocco
Sad to hear your looking to get rid of the car so early. Tbh you bought at the wrong time of year for enjoying a TVR to its fullest and have driven it in less than good conditions. Hardly any of us drive in the winter and wet roads are stty for any TVR, given lack of ABS, Traction Control and the rear wheel drive / torque combination. Summer it's a different matter and they stick to the road like glue!
In terms of handling I had my T350 setup by a specialist (CofG) and it handles superbly. I've no idea how Graham set his up,whether it was more track focused, however lots of TVR's are too low, don't have full suspension travel and are pretty poor for uk roads. Many left the factory at optimum height and were then lowered for aesthetics by owners and dealers which obviously effects handling.
Further to that the 24psi thing is a general catch all comment. TVR apparently sent out an advisory for higher pressures after the cars left the factory following further testing. Having had my tyre pressures checked as part of my suspension overhaul based on temperature, tyre wear etc, I'm running 25/28 and it works perfectly
Good luck with whatever car you choose as a replacement. If you don't like a car, get rid, experience something else.
tty for any TVR, given lack of ABS, Traction Control and the rear wheel drive / torque combination. Summer it's a different matter and they stick to the road like glue! In terms of handling I had my T350 setup by a specialist (CofG) and it handles superbly. I've no idea how Graham set his up,whether it was more track focused, however lots of TVR's are too low, don't have full suspension travel and are pretty poor for uk roads. Many left the factory at optimum height and were then lowered for aesthetics by owners and dealers which obviously effects handling.
Further to that the 24psi thing is a general catch all comment. TVR apparently sent out an advisory for higher pressures after the cars left the factory following further testing. Having had my tyre pressures checked as part of my suspension overhaul based on temperature, tyre wear etc, I'm running 25/28 and it works perfectly
Good luck with whatever car you choose as a replacement. If you don't like a car, get rid, experience something else.
Edited by ShiDevil on Friday 25th December 08:28
ShiDevil said:
Sad to hear your looking to get rid of the car so early. Tbh you bought at the wrong time of year for enjoying a TVR to its fullest and have driven it in less than good conditions. Hardly any of us drive in the winter and wet roads are stty for any TVR, given lack of ABS, Traction Control and the rear wheel drive / torque combination. Summer it's a different matter and they stick to the road like glue!
In terms of handling I had my T350 setup by a specialist (CofG) and it handles superbly. I've no idea how Graham set his up,whether it was more track focused, however lots of TVR's are too low, don't have full suspension travel and are pretty poor for uk roads. Many left the factory at optimum height and were then lowered for aesthetics by owners and dealers which obviously effects handling.
Further to that the 24psi thing is a general catch all comment. TVR apparently sent out an advisory for higher pressures after the cars left the factory following further testing. Having had my tyre pressures checked as part of my suspension overhaul based on temperature, tyre wear etc, I'm running 25/28 and it works perfectly
Good luck with whatever car you choose as a replacement. If you don't like a car, get rid, experience something else.
25/28 cold or hot, that's interesting. Is it a drift car lol??tty for any TVR, given lack of ABS, Traction Control and the rear wheel drive / torque combination. Summer it's a different matter and they stick to the road like glue! In terms of handling I had my T350 setup by a specialist (CofG) and it handles superbly. I've no idea how Graham set his up,whether it was more track focused, however lots of TVR's are too low, don't have full suspension travel and are pretty poor for uk roads. Many left the factory at optimum height and were then lowered for aesthetics by owners and dealers which obviously effects handling.
Further to that the 24psi thing is a general catch all comment. TVR apparently sent out an advisory for higher pressures after the cars left the factory following further testing. Having had my tyre pressures checked as part of my suspension overhaul based on temperature, tyre wear etc, I'm running 25/28 and it works perfectly
Good luck with whatever car you choose as a replacement. If you don't like a car, get rid, experience something else.
Edited by ShiDevil on Friday 25th December 08:28
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 25th December 16:37
No mate It's not unusual to have different tyre pressures front and back, given weight of car, engine position, tyre wear, temperature differences etc. Plus going to a suspension specialist that measures every aspect of your car in that area provides an interesting insight into where you can make gains.
It's not unusual to have different tyre pressures front and back, given weight of car, engine position, tyre wear, temperature differences etc. Plus going to a suspension specialist that measures every aspect of your car in that area provides an interesting insight into where you can make gains.ShiDevil said:
No mate It's not unusual to have different tyre pressures front and back, given weight of car, engine position, tyre wear, temperature differences etc. Plus going to a suspension specialist that measures every aspect of your car in that area provides an interesting insight into where you can make gains.
Thanks for that insight although none of it comes as a shock to be honest. It's not unusual to have different tyre pressures front and back, given weight of car, engine position, tyre wear, temperature differences etc. Plus going to a suspension specialist that measures every aspect of your car in that area provides an interesting insight into where you can make gains.So are they cold or hot pressures?
ShiDevil said:
Further to that the 24psi thing is a general catch all comment. TVR apparently sent out an advisory for higher pressures after the cars left the factory following further testing.
Indeed. I've attached a copy below, but running 28psi in the Sag makes the ride far too hard and the handling twitchy, atleast with standard springs/shocks/geometry. Does anyone know what caused this advice to be sent out?Edited by ShiDevil on Friday 25th December 08:28
Hi Tony,
It was a man from near London that bought the CLK and he seems delighted with it. My 675LT will be arriving to the dealer in Early Feb and I'm taking it home in March. Cheers hope your all having a great Christmas.
First impressions of the GT3 RS are its steering/handling is very much like my Noble race car, very nice weight and lots of feedback. Can drive it very fast in the rain no worries. No skittish feeling like the Tvr gives. Completely puts you at ease and has a great noise. Power and acceleration is similar to the TVR but smoother and better delivery at higher speeds.
The 675LT Prototype I drove is more of the same but is so fast it makes everything else feel pedestrian. Lol, the only thing that might keep up with it is my 750bhp ford GT, until I need to change gear. 2016 is going to be an exciting year!! Will be taking the 675LT and the Noble to Spa for the Goldtrack double header in April for some laps. Hope it's not snowing!
It was a man from near London that bought the CLK and he seems delighted with it. My 675LT will be arriving to the dealer in Early Feb and I'm taking it home in March. Cheers hope your all having a great Christmas.
First impressions of the GT3 RS are its steering/handling is very much like my Noble race car, very nice weight and lots of feedback. Can drive it very fast in the rain no worries. No skittish feeling like the Tvr gives. Completely puts you at ease and has a great noise. Power and acceleration is similar to the TVR but smoother and better delivery at higher speeds.
The 675LT Prototype I drove is more of the same but is so fast it makes everything else feel pedestrian. Lol, the only thing that might keep up with it is my 750bhp ford GT, until I need to change gear. 2016 is going to be an exciting year!! Will be taking the 675LT and the Noble to Spa for the Goldtrack double header in April for some laps. Hope it's not snowing!
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