Will sags hit 60k this year?
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Why would I lie about writing this car off !! I have nothing to gain?
I have the payout information from Mannings UK, who are the TVR car club approved insurer, the picture on the register is on my drive, the Armco barrier on Jnc 11 M62 is still bent after 6 years and I have a video of the car damaged at the recover companies wear house at Appleton Thorn!
Make your own mind up who is being economical with the truth!
Hilti.
I have the payout information from Mannings UK, who are the TVR car club approved insurer, the picture on the register is on my drive, the Armco barrier on Jnc 11 M62 is still bent after 6 years and I have a video of the car damaged at the recover companies wear house at Appleton Thorn!
Make your own mind up who is being economical with the truth!
Hilti.
JLF said:
Hey guys help me out here. How can a car show HPI clear and not be? Surely we need to rely on this in order to be sure we are not buying a nail.
As far as I am aware the only way this can happen is if the car is exported and then imported again. The DVLA start from a clean slate as they have no way of knowing what happened while out of the country. So beware when thinking about purchasing any import. No idea if the car in question had ever been registered abroad though.Englishman said:
As far as I am aware the only way this can happen is if the car is exported and then imported again. The DVLA start from a clean slate as they have no way of knowing what happened while out of the country. So beware when thinking about purchasing any import. No idea if the car in question had ever been registered abroad though.
Not according to the info on the HPI...Note - removed image as might be restricted DVLA info. It stated car was not exported.
Assuming "Exported No" means it was never exported of course.
Edited by alex_gray255 on Thursday 20th February 02:17
Englishman said:
As far as I am aware the only way this can happen is if the car is exported and then imported again. The DVLA start from a clean slate as they have no way of knowing what happened while out of the country. So beware when thinking about purchasing any import. No idea if the car in question had ever been registered abroad though.
Thanks. As we know there are a lot of TVRs that have had repairs....nature of the body material. Need the security HPI gives.Just looked at a copy of the "Write off proforma" sent to the DVLA for Sagaris HIL 7067, (was put back on YD05 CDG at write off) on the 20/05/2008' the chassis number is:-
SDLSA16A65B001226......................... I.e. No. 43 on the register
SDLSA16A65B001226......................... I.e. No. 43 on the register
Edited by ginner on Wednesday 19th February 23:36
The Northern Irish plates were to reference the owners names, SIJ was for Saun Jamison, lived in Harrogate, HIL is still mine on my current car, my name is Hilton, car lived in Cheshire.
Not aware car lived in Ireland at any point.
The DVA and DVLA are two separate entities though, brought a Chevette HSR back from Ireland last year, nightmare reregistering it back in the UK, even though it was on its original UK 1978 registration!
J
Not aware car lived in Ireland at any point.
The DVA and DVLA are two separate entities though, brought a Chevette HSR back from Ireland last year, nightmare reregistering it back in the UK, even though it was on its original UK 1978 registration!
J
ginner said:
Why would I lie about writing this car off !! I have nothing to gain? ...
Hmm, yes, okay, indelicate choice of words. Not implying a liar, justconflicting sets of information.
The HPI shows nothing untoward and not exported, so I can only comment
based on what I see and have been told.
If the HPI and DLVA information can be "reset" so to speak, then
that's a new one on me and not my area of expertise.
I'll leave people more familiar with those areas to comment.
My comment from the other thread about this car:
Unlucky on the buyer if this is not a misunderstanding.
... Having said that, maybe they were made aware at point of sale? I don't recall the advert saying 'HPI clear' and just because it's not on HPI doesn't mean the history wasn't mentioned before a deal was struck... It's evident how well these cars are documented being so rare, so it's very risky not disclosing such info.
What I'm interested in is how has this happened. I was always under the impression that write off history can never be removed. I thought in a cat-d you can get it auto-ligned and then the write off marker is removed off HPI and replaced with a "previous write off /Autolign VIC approval"
Unlucky on the buyer if this is not a misunderstanding.
... Having said that, maybe they were made aware at point of sale? I don't recall the advert saying 'HPI clear' and just because it's not on HPI doesn't mean the history wasn't mentioned before a deal was struck... It's evident how well these cars are documented being so rare, so it's very risky not disclosing such info.
What I'm interested in is how has this happened. I was always under the impression that write off history can never be removed. I thought in a cat-d you can get it auto-ligned and then the write off marker is removed off HPI and replaced with a "previous write off /Autolign VIC approval"
No worries Alex.....
I have smelt a rat for a few years with whoever bought the salvage from Blue Circle, someone kept taking the reference to the write off info on the register off, I kept putting it back on!
Just hope whoever bought it knew what they were buying....... Having said that, it was not far off concourse condition pre accident, i would want £60k + if I still had the car now.
J
I have smelt a rat for a few years with whoever bought the salvage from Blue Circle, someone kept taking the reference to the write off info on the register off, I kept putting it back on!
Just hope whoever bought it knew what they were buying....... Having said that, it was not far off concourse condition pre accident, i would want £60k + if I still had the car now.
J
ginner said:
No worries Alex.....
I have smelt a rat for a few years with whoever bought the salvage from Blue Circle, someone kept taking the reference to the write off info on the register off, I kept putting it back on!
Just hope whoever bought it knew what they were buying....... Having said that, it was not far off concourse condition pre accident, i would want £60k + if I still had the car now.
J
Great you came on and put the record straight as it ends up like Chinese whispers on here with he said she said, I'm sure this cars history had been discussed previously but I cannot find the post!I have smelt a rat for a few years with whoever bought the salvage from Blue Circle, someone kept taking the reference to the write off info on the register off, I kept putting it back on!
Just hope whoever bought it knew what they were buying....... Having said that, it was not far off concourse condition pre accident, i would want £60k + if I still had the car now.
J
TVRMs said:
Yes no story if Tony is selling it . But 2 owners in 9 years and 3,800 miles ... They must have bought it to look at it and polish it 
.... Is that the one John & Linda bought ??? Fastidious owner ...must be TVRowner.Don't think there was any specific posts regarding the car..... And it's history.
I knew it was sat in Tunstall Vehcle Repairs in Stoke, ( which I think is connected to Supercar lifestyle?) and had been there Since 2009 ish, but I assumed it had been broken up, until someone updated the register to say it was at the repairers awaiting rebirth. Nothing heard again until I saw it at Cholmondely in2012 and their were some discussions ref carbon brakes in mid 2012 ish when I recognised it and commented in the thread!
I wouldn't post specifically about the cars demise, but if someone wants to know anything about the car, I have all the documentation in a file at home.......
J
I knew it was sat in Tunstall Vehcle Repairs in Stoke, ( which I think is connected to Supercar lifestyle?) and had been there Since 2009 ish, but I assumed it had been broken up, until someone updated the register to say it was at the repairers awaiting rebirth. Nothing heard again until I saw it at Cholmondely in2012 and their were some discussions ref carbon brakes in mid 2012 ish when I recognised it and commented in the thread!
I wouldn't post specifically about the cars demise, but if someone wants to know anything about the car, I have all the documentation in a file at home.......
J
ginner said:
Don't think there was any specific posts regarding the car..... And it's history.
I knew it was sat in Tunstall Vehcle Repairs in Stoke, ( which I think is connected to Supercar lifestyle?) and had been there Since 2009 ish, but I assumed it had been broken up, until someone updated the register to say it was at the repairers awaiting rebirth. Nothing heard again until I saw it at Cholmondely in2012 and their were some discussions ref carbon brakes in mid 2012 ish when I recognised it and commented in the thread!
I wouldn't post specifically about the cars demise, but if someone wants to know anything about the car, I have all the documentation in a file at home.......
J
Ginner, can you help establish if a) the HPI marker was never actually applied or b) it was applied but removed at some point? I knew it was sat in Tunstall Vehcle Repairs in Stoke, ( which I think is connected to Supercar lifestyle?) and had been there Since 2009 ish, but I assumed it had been broken up, until someone updated the register to say it was at the repairers awaiting rebirth. Nothing heard again until I saw it at Cholmondely in2012 and their were some discussions ref carbon brakes in mid 2012 ish when I recognised it and commented in the thread!
I wouldn't post specifically about the cars demise, but if someone wants to know anything about the car, I have all the documentation in a file at home.......
J
Just trying to establish if markers can actually be removed or if it was an error made by the insurers which was taken advantage of at some point.
AOK said:
Ginner, can you help establish if a) the HPI marker was never actually applied or b) it was applied but removed at some point?
Just trying to establish if markers can actually be removed or if it was an error made by the insurers which was taken advantage of at some point.
The way I read it is: the car was a cat D write off and so no marker is applied since they are only put on cat A, B and C cars therefore no marker to remove.Just trying to establish if markers can actually be removed or if it was an error made by the insurers which was taken advantage of at some point.
HPI said:
Vehicle Identity Check (VIC)
Vehicles written-off within categories A, B or C will have a 'VIC marker' put against them by the DVLA. The 'VIC' is a Vehicle Identity Check, and it is a scheme designed to help stop stolen cars being passed off as repaired accident damaged cars - also known as 'ringing'. In certain circumstances (for example, self-insured vehicles) a VIC marker may be applied to a vehicle without an insurance company formally writing the vehicle off.
While a VIC marker remains set, the DVLA won't issue a registration certificate V5C, or vehicle license reminder V11. The Vehicle and Operator Services Agency (VOSA) carries out the VIC test. It's designed to confirm the car's identity and help ensure that the genuine car is returned to the road. Any vehicle that requires or has passed a VIC test will have this noted on the V5. A VIC test is NOT a test on the repair of the vehicle or its road-worthiness.
The VIC test takes around 20 minutes to complete and involves comparing the details on the DVLA vehicle record against the car presented. The VIC is a check of identity, it doesn't look at the quality of the repair or confirm roadworthiness. Once a car has passed a VIC, the V5C issued will be annotated to show 'substantially repaired and/or accident damaged; identity checked on dd/mm/yyyy'.
Vehicles written-off within categories A, B or C will have a 'VIC marker' put against them by the DVLA. The 'VIC' is a Vehicle Identity Check, and it is a scheme designed to help stop stolen cars being passed off as repaired accident damaged cars - also known as 'ringing'. In certain circumstances (for example, self-insured vehicles) a VIC marker may be applied to a vehicle without an insurance company formally writing the vehicle off.
While a VIC marker remains set, the DVLA won't issue a registration certificate V5C, or vehicle license reminder V11. The Vehicle and Operator Services Agency (VOSA) carries out the VIC test. It's designed to confirm the car's identity and help ensure that the genuine car is returned to the road. Any vehicle that requires or has passed a VIC test will have this noted on the V5. A VIC test is NOT a test on the repair of the vehicle or its road-worthiness.
The VIC test takes around 20 minutes to complete and involves comparing the details on the DVLA vehicle record against the car presented. The VIC is a check of identity, it doesn't look at the quality of the repair or confirm roadworthiness. Once a car has passed a VIC, the V5C issued will be annotated to show 'substantially repaired and/or accident damaged; identity checked on dd/mm/yyyy'.
HPI said:
Write-off
This is a term for a vehicle that has been declared a total loss by an insurer following accident damage or theft.
Although write-offs can legitimately be allowed back on the road, almost half are beyond repair. Look for the ones that have passed an independent inspection, such as those on HPI's Condition Inspected register. Since 1997, the Association of British Insurers (ABI) has provided classification of damage to vehicles that have been written off. Category 'A' or 'B' must never reappear on the road, whilst 'C' and 'D' may do so following proper repair, passing an independent Autolign-approved structural examination.
This is a term for a vehicle that has been declared a total loss by an insurer following accident damage or theft.
Although write-offs can legitimately be allowed back on the road, almost half are beyond repair. Look for the ones that have passed an independent inspection, such as those on HPI's Condition Inspected register. Since 1997, the Association of British Insurers (ABI) has provided classification of damage to vehicles that have been written off. Category 'A' or 'B' must never reappear on the road, whilst 'C' and 'D' may do so following proper repair, passing an independent Autolign-approved structural examination.
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