Tam very 'crashy' after Nitrons fitted!
Discussion
When I first was looking at shocks, last year, Nitrons were presented by those who had them and those who bought them as the ultimate Chimaera dampers within a sensible budget (working on the principal that no TVR owner would spend the same amount on dampers as he spent on the car in the first place).
Thankfully I had no money, thanks to failing the MOT on outriggers (and the car did too), so I bought a used set of GGPs off another TVR owner for a tiny fraction of the price of a set of Nitrons.
I am honestly shocked how far the reputation of Nitrons has plummeted on these pages in just a few months. What went wrong?
Is it the dampers themselves, or the company's approach to customer service?
Certainly Gaz's approach to the customer service has done no end of good to their reputation over the same few months.
Thankfully I had no money, thanks to failing the MOT on outriggers (and the car did too), so I bought a used set of GGPs off another TVR owner for a tiny fraction of the price of a set of Nitrons.
I am honestly shocked how far the reputation of Nitrons has plummeted on these pages in just a few months. What went wrong?
Is it the dampers themselves, or the company's approach to customer service?
Certainly Gaz's approach to the customer service has done no end of good to their reputation over the same few months.
Ab Shocks said:
The 46mm new Nitron shocks are high output racing shocks, I'm not going to go into why they were specified but road cars are more than happy on NTR, Gaz mono or whatever in the main.
I asked for fast road plus about 6-8 TDs a year.I specifically said the car would be used for touring as well.
It seems we have the wrong product
My new Nitrons are so harsh, I'm changing back to my Monos after every TD which is ridiculous!
This is where we have trouble with race cars because we revalve and revalve shocks for the dry chasing predictives and it rains and we have nowhere to go other than wet and dry shocks.
95% of the Tvr owners would be happy with NTR/mono/ ? But these hardcore trackday, sprinters and hill climbers who then want to go down the pub on a Sunday should consider Twin adjustable shocks because they are more than able to do all.
I would commend the Gaz ones at £820 all in, Joo will side with Protech and Auroc will go with Ohlins
Popcorn moment
Lol
95% of the Tvr owners would be happy with NTR/mono/ ? But these hardcore trackday, sprinters and hill climbers who then want to go down the pub on a Sunday should consider Twin adjustable shocks because they are more than able to do all.
I would commend the Gaz ones at £820 all in, Joo will side with Protech and Auroc will go with Ohlins
Popcorn moment
Lol
For the price of a Centre Gravity geo, I could buy these and have change to spare!
http://www.racetechdirect.co.uk/tvr-car-part-rd10b...
In fact, this may be what I end up doing, and perhaps should have bought the Protech's in the first instance.
Anyway, before all that, as I said, I shall take the Tam to Neil Garner, and see if there's anything they can do.
http://www.racetechdirect.co.uk/tvr-car-part-rd10b...
In fact, this may be what I end up doing, and perhaps should have bought the Protech's in the first instance.
Anyway, before all that, as I said, I shall take the Tam to Neil Garner, and see if there's anything they can do.
I'm surprised to read so many negative posts here. Very pleased with my nitrons/eibach. They are everything but harsh, not even stiff. I had to adjust the rear ride height high enough to let the wheels always run free in every driving conditions. So they are very soft. Unfortunately don't know the exactly spring rate.
As others said, the right setup will make the difference. AND the right tire pressure ! If you put in 0,3 bar too much, you can transform the car into undriveable.
As others said, the right setup will make the difference. AND the right tire pressure ! If you put in 0,3 bar too much, you can transform the car into undriveable.
chris watton said:
For the price of a Centre Gravity geo, I could buy these and have change to spare!
http://www.racetechdirect.co.uk/tvr-car-part-rd10b...
In fact, this may be what I end up doing, and perhaps should have bought the Protech's in the first instance.
Anyway, before all that, as I said, I shall take the Tam to Neil Garner, and see if there's anything they can do.
Or Gaz gold 😛http://www.racetechdirect.co.uk/tvr-car-part-rd10b...
In fact, this may be what I end up doing, and perhaps should have bought the Protech's in the first instance.
Anyway, before all that, as I said, I shall take the Tam to Neil Garner, and see if there's anything they can do.
QBee said:
When I first was looking at shocks, last year, Nitrons were presented by those who had them and those who bought them as the ultimate Chimaera dampers within a sensible budget (working on the principal that no TVR owner would spend the same amount on dampers as he spent on the car in the first place).
Thankfully I had no money, thanks to failing the MOT on outriggers (and the car did too), so I bought a used set of GGPs off another TVR owner for a tiny fraction of the price of a set of Nitrons.
I am honestly shocked how far the reputation of Nitrons has plummeted on these pages in just a few months. What went wrong?
Is it the dampers themselves, or the company's approach to customer service?
Certainly Gaz's approach to the customer service has done no end of good to their reputation over the same few months.
Morning Anthony, could it be possible that people only come on line when something goes wrong, few people post up good news postings?Thankfully I had no money, thanks to failing the MOT on outriggers (and the car did too), so I bought a used set of GGPs off another TVR owner for a tiny fraction of the price of a set of Nitrons.
I am honestly shocked how far the reputation of Nitrons has plummeted on these pages in just a few months. What went wrong?
Is it the dampers themselves, or the company's approach to customer service?
Certainly Gaz's approach to the customer service has done no end of good to their reputation over the same few months.
I have had Nitrons on my Cerb for years and I can't fault them, they transformed the ride and on trackdays they are so predicable, you get a telegram through to warn you before the old girl loses grip and even then when it does let go it is so progressive and easy to bring back in line.
As for the quality of the product and customer service again I can't fault them, they turn them round when serviced very quickly indeed, if I were not on Nitrons I would probably switch to Intrax as the ultimate.
twinreal said:
I'm surprised to read so many negative posts here. Very pleased with my nitrons/eibach. They are everything but harsh, not even stiff. I had to adjust the rear ride height high enough to let the wheels always run free in every driving conditions. So they are very soft. Unfortunately don't know the exactly spring rate.
As others said, the right setup will make the difference. AND the right tire pressure ! If you put in 0,3 bar too much, you can transform the car into undriveable.
When I posted a topic on Nitrons, and are they really worth double of other makes, the overwhelming verdict was that, yes, they are worth it - most seemed pleased with their set up. this is what convinced me to for Nitrons.As others said, the right setup will make the difference. AND the right tire pressure ! If you put in 0,3 bar too much, you can transform the car into undriveable.
Little did I know that I'd be spending £1200+£200 fitting on what seems like driving a car with no suspension at all!
chris watton said:
For the price of a Centre Gravity geo, I could buy these and have change to spare!
http://www.racetechdirect.co.uk/tvr-car-part-rd10b...
In fact, this may be what I end up doing, and perhaps should have bought the Protech's in the first instance.
Anyway, before all that, as I said, I shall take the Tam to Neil Garner, and see if there's anything they can do.
My geo cost less than £400, I was there till ten at night. Takes all the guesswork out of it, it will be correct when Chris is happy with it http://www.racetechdirect.co.uk/tvr-car-part-rd10b...
In fact, this may be what I end up doing, and perhaps should have bought the Protech's in the first instance.
Anyway, before all that, as I said, I shall take the Tam to Neil Garner, and see if there's anything they can do.
Bargain...
chris watton said:
The quote I got was closer to £600!
My theory on this, is that you don't need to spend anywhere near that kind of cash for a geo set up.....Let's get back to basics, the car is used on the road, sometimes you'll have a passenger, luggage, and a full tank of fuel, sometimes you'll be driving an unloaded car, just by yourself......sometimes you'll be on the motorway, sometimes you'll be on crappy back roads......How on earth can a Geo set up to the Nth degree, costing an arm and a leg, combine all the possible combinations, to make the car handle like a dream in every scenario??? Bottom line it can't...... And even if it could, if you're an average driver like me...... Could you even tell the difference anyway??
My money would go on a basic geo set up..... Making sure you have all 4 wheels pointing in the right direction, a sensible amount of negative camber, and a sensible amount of toe in...... That's it....
.even on my Aston Martin this only cost £120 quid...I've had a few Griff's done over the years, just to make sure, everything is locked off and the settings are within sensible tolerances, to allow for a safe stable ride, and decent tyre wear...... I've never paid more than £150..... And on that occasion absolutely everything that could be adjusted was adjusted, as the car had just had all new bushes and shocks...
That's my opinion for what its worth
Edited by Quinny on Saturday 21st June 13:26
I know its been said before but £600 for a geo. I`m sorry but they are well and truly pulling your pants down. Or you`ve more money than sense.
I always set mine up with string, actually fishing line, and it always feels perfect. To put my mind at rest wondering how close i had got it i booked it into a TVR Specialist with all the laser equipment, the end result being in there words, it was almost bob on. I certainly couldnt tell any difference from before it went in, not that i needed to mind.
I`m affraid i agree with Quinny above.
I always set mine up with string, actually fishing line, and it always feels perfect. To put my mind at rest wondering how close i had got it i booked it into a TVR Specialist with all the laser equipment, the end result being in there words, it was almost bob on. I certainly couldnt tell any difference from before it went in, not that i needed to mind.
I`m affraid i agree with Quinny above.
Thread is going totally OT with all this talk about CG and 'setup' beyond adjusters on the shocks... CG and 'setup' arent going to change the valving on these > new < nitrons.
We are complaining of ride quality, not wacky handling.
I think we are pretty sure these nitrons are not the same setup as the 'good' 'old' ones everyone raves about.
I guess the only way to get some perspective is for those on 'good' nitrons who know what spring rate and valving they have, to drive a car on these recent 'harsh' nitrons.
I'm with Quinny, I know my chassis is in excellent condition, and my geo is set correctly on hunter gear and my ride height is set perfectly.
I'm no race driver, I like to thinker with my cars, I'm happy with the handling on decent roads, I just have a very harsh ride on rough roads... I'm 99.9% sure they cant fix that, and I just wouldnt know what to ask of CG in order to get my £600 worth of extra 'handling'... I guess it would be great handling in their expert opinion... would I know the difference given I dont too close to limits on the puplic road, and given I already know my car is already as well setup as it can be without them? I'm guessing probably not.
Btw no oner ever talks about anti roll bar tweaks on tvrs, on the s2000 theres as much talk about them as shocks, why is that?
Cheers
S
We are complaining of ride quality, not wacky handling.
I think we are pretty sure these nitrons are not the same setup as the 'good' 'old' ones everyone raves about.
I guess the only way to get some perspective is for those on 'good' nitrons who know what spring rate and valving they have, to drive a car on these recent 'harsh' nitrons.
I'm with Quinny, I know my chassis is in excellent condition, and my geo is set correctly on hunter gear and my ride height is set perfectly.
I'm no race driver, I like to thinker with my cars, I'm happy with the handling on decent roads, I just have a very harsh ride on rough roads... I'm 99.9% sure they cant fix that, and I just wouldnt know what to ask of CG in order to get my £600 worth of extra 'handling'... I guess it would be great handling in their expert opinion... would I know the difference given I dont too close to limits on the puplic road, and given I already know my car is already as well setup as it can be without them? I'm guessing probably not.
Btw no oner ever talks about anti roll bar tweaks on tvrs, on the s2000 theres as much talk about them as shocks, why is that?
Cheers
S
SergSC said:
Stuff.
Btw no oner ever talks about anti roll bar tweaks on tvrs, on the s2000 theres as much talk about them as shocks, why is that?
Cheers
S
Agree wholly with all the above.Btw no oner ever talks about anti roll bar tweaks on tvrs, on the s2000 theres as much talk about them as shocks, why is that?
Cheers
S
Funny enough after participating in my second sprint on Thursday and taking the guy who has the fastest TVR time by far, (Tuscan owner) as a passenger it was interesting to hear his comments.
He thought that even with my 500/400 spring set up he thought I needed a stiffer front ARB as the car rolled too much and I was loosing grip, (could be the 400 ft lbs of torque
Checking my ARB on the chim, it's quite puny and apparently there are stiffer ones available.
I'm 100% sure that this wouldn't improve ride quality but may improve my times!
Bit O/T really..........
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