sagaris purchase
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Very interesting. I knew there must have been something up with it.
This is where forums are invaluable. When I was considering the pea green car back in 2012 someone very kindly sent over the pictures showing the damage and the repair, which I struggled to find on the internet.
I also know there is a yellow Sag floating around which was Cat-D'd but for unexplained reasons the cat-d marker had somehow been removed from the hpi record. So it appears as a totally HPI clear car. Someone keeps trying to update the Sag register on here to make the information available but then the owner(s) keep removing the information. Think they think its being confused with a different car or something.
Anyway... without the knowledge held on PH you could quite easily fall into a problem like that.
This is where forums are invaluable. When I was considering the pea green car back in 2012 someone very kindly sent over the pictures showing the damage and the repair, which I struggled to find on the internet.
I also know there is a yellow Sag floating around which was Cat-D'd but for unexplained reasons the cat-d marker had somehow been removed from the hpi record. So it appears as a totally HPI clear car. Someone keeps trying to update the Sag register on here to make the information available but then the owner(s) keep removing the information. Think they think its being confused with a different car or something.
Anyway... without the knowledge held on PH you could quite easily fall into a problem like that.
AOK said:
Very interesting. I knew there must have been something up with it.
This is where forums are invaluable. When I was considering the pea green car back in 2012 someone very kindly sent over the pictures showing the damage and the repair, which I struggled to find on the internet.
I also know there is a yellow Sag floating around which was Cat-D'd but for unexplained reasons the cat-d marker had somehow been removed from the hpi record. So it appears as a totally HPI clear car. Someone keeps trying to update the Sag register on here to make the information available but then the owner(s) keep removing the information. Think they think its being confused with a different car or something.
Anyway... without the knowledge held on PH you could quite easily fall into a problem like that.
To be fair I don't think you'd fall into a problem like that with HHC or some other garages, however if for instance a certain car was up for sale privately and the owner gives you all details about it but omits telling you the car has been in an accident then yes you could.This is where forums are invaluable. When I was considering the pea green car back in 2012 someone very kindly sent over the pictures showing the damage and the repair, which I struggled to find on the internet.
I also know there is a yellow Sag floating around which was Cat-D'd but for unexplained reasons the cat-d marker had somehow been removed from the hpi record. So it appears as a totally HPI clear car. Someone keeps trying to update the Sag register on here to make the information available but then the owner(s) keep removing the information. Think they think its being confused with a different car or something.
Anyway... without the knowledge held on PH you could quite easily fall into a problem like that.
I seem to remember a while ago there was a car for sale at a dealer which had been in a well documented crash on here but when it was mentioned, said dealer ,NOT HHC by the way, must've complained and posts/ links were deleted so you could still fall into it with certain dealers. So knowledge is on Ph but only if you have a good memory
Its a case of 'inner circle' information... and the dedication required to fully research a car before purchasing. As you say, it certainly pays to do your research.
For example there's a Sag which was bought earlier in the year and crashed not long ago. If I heard correctly, the repair bill is something crazy like £20k but the insurance company have decided to repair. I imagine most of that goes on f/glass repair, although the outrigger was visibly pushed back so will be a full body off repair. Not to mention new rad, headlights, suspension arms etc etc.
I'm in no position to say anymore, but if/when that car goes up for sale any prospective buyer will struggle to find out this information unless the seller informs them. And there must be a few in the same situation.
For example there's a Sag which was bought earlier in the year and crashed not long ago. If I heard correctly, the repair bill is something crazy like £20k but the insurance company have decided to repair. I imagine most of that goes on f/glass repair, although the outrigger was visibly pushed back so will be a full body off repair. Not to mention new rad, headlights, suspension arms etc etc.
I'm in no position to say anymore, but if/when that car goes up for sale any prospective buyer will struggle to find out this information unless the seller informs them. And there must be a few in the same situation.
AOK said:
Very interesting. I knew there must have been something up with it.
To be fair to the dealer selling this car, I asked the question and they answered it honestly.I recall the recent sale of the yellow sag with the engine upgrade and ceramic brakes. If this was a Cat registered car how can it possibly have gone under the radar?
Legacywr said:
As soon as I saw that up for sale in that colour with a lovely interior colour, I just new it would be sold almost immediately.. These buyers of these cars are very very colour conscious, And reflex charcoal is right up there with the best colours, I hope the lucky purchaser makes himself known soon. Hi everyone, just to clear up any misunderstanding regarding our Black Sagaris that we have for sale, the details on its history are as follows. In August 2010 the then owner, a chap who was local to us, lost control of the car in the wet and left the road. The car ended up in a field having gone through a 5-strand wire fence. The car suffered panel damage due to the fence wires but was fully repairable and was dealt with by his insurance company. The car did require fibreglass repairs to some of the panels but the only items replaced were the front splitters and 'sharks teeth', along with the drivers door mirror. The bodywork and paint repairs were carried out to the highest standard by Surface and Design on our behalf and their invoice came to just under £5,500 exc. VAT. When the car returned to us from Blackpool we then carried out the mechanical side of the repairs, this included replacing all four wheels and tyres, fitting new headlamp covers, fitting a new rear spoiler and mountings, replacing the o/s upper suspension arm and bushes, and carrying out a full four-wheel geometry check. Whilst the car was undergoing the paintwork repairs the owner took the option to have the car colour-changed from its original silver metallic as he'd never really liked the colour! Finally the car had a full Paintshield kit installed following the completion of the repairs. At no time was it contemplated that the insurance company may decline to repair the car, and the repairs were well below the percentage cost relative to the value of the car that usually means they decline to repair. There is no category or insurance marker attached to the vehicle. Four years and four thousand miles on it still looks fabulous and is a testament to the quality of workmanship from S & D!!
A year on from the repairs we were very happy to buy the car from the owner and then supply it to its last owner in 2011.
I'm sure that given the passage of time there are many other TVRs out there that may have a similar tale to tell. Perhaps not all of them will have had the benefit of being repaired by the folks who carried out this work whilst the cars were still in production!
I hope that this may help to clear up any false impressions or misunderstandings that may have arisen regarding our Sagaris. We are also very happy to talk with anyone who likes the look of the car but perhaps has doubts over the trim colours etc. We do have trimmers that we use in Blackpool who would be very happy to create a bespoke solution if required.
A year on from the repairs we were very happy to buy the car from the owner and then supply it to its last owner in 2011.
I'm sure that given the passage of time there are many other TVRs out there that may have a similar tale to tell. Perhaps not all of them will have had the benefit of being repaired by the folks who carried out this work whilst the cars were still in production!
I hope that this may help to clear up any false impressions or misunderstandings that may have arisen regarding our Sagaris. We are also very happy to talk with anyone who likes the look of the car but perhaps has doubts over the trim colours etc. We do have trimmers that we use in Blackpool who would be very happy to create a bespoke solution if required.
Hexhamhc said:
Hi everyone, just to clear up any misunderstanding regarding our Black Sagaris that we have for sale, the details on its history are as follows. In August 2010 the then owner, a chap who was local to us, lost control of the car in the wet and left the road. The car ended up in a field having gone through a 5-strand wire fence. The car suffered panel damage due to the fence wires but was fully repairable and was dealt with by his insurance company. The car did require fibreglass repairs to some of the panels but the only items replaced were the front splitters and 'sharks teeth', along with the drivers door mirror. The bodywork and paint repairs were carried out to the highest standard by Surface and Design on our behalf and their invoice came to just under £5,500 exc. VAT. When the car returned to us from Blackpool we then carried out the mechanical side of the repairs, this included replacing all four wheels and tyres, fitting new headlamp covers, fitting a new rear spoiler and mountings, replacing the o/s upper suspension arm and bushes, and carrying out a full four-wheel geometry check. Whilst the car was undergoing the paintwork repairs the owner took the option to have the car colour-changed from its original silver metallic as he'd never really liked the colour! Finally the car had a full Paintshield kit installed following the completion of the repairs. At no time was it contemplated that the insurance company may decline to repair the car, and the repairs were well below the percentage cost relative to the value of the car that usually means they decline to repair. There is no category or insurance marker attached to the vehicle. Four years and four thousand miles on it still looks fabulous and is a testament to the quality of workmanship from S & D!!
A year on from the repairs we were very happy to buy the car from the owner and then supply it to its last owner in 2011.
I'm sure that given the passage of time there are many other TVRs out there that may have a similar tale to tell. Perhaps not all of them will have had the benefit of being repaired by the folks who carried out this work whilst the cars were still in production!
I hope that this may help to clear up any false impressions or misunderstandings that may have arisen regarding our Sagaris. We are also very happy to talk with anyone who likes the look of the car but perhaps has doubts over the trim colours etc. We do have trimmers that we use in Blackpool who would be very happy to create a bespoke solution if required.
A year on from the repairs we were very happy to buy the car from the owner and then supply it to its last owner in 2011.
I'm sure that given the passage of time there are many other TVRs out there that may have a similar tale to tell. Perhaps not all of them will have had the benefit of being repaired by the folks who carried out this work whilst the cars were still in production!
I hope that this may help to clear up any false impressions or misunderstandings that may have arisen regarding our Sagaris. We are also very happy to talk with anyone who likes the look of the car but perhaps has doubts over the trim colours etc. We do have trimmers that we use in Blackpool who would be very happy to create a bespoke solution if required.
a very good, honest post guys!£5.5k with S&D actually reinforces the fact that the damage could not have been that bad... it doesn't sound like a big bill at all. And to know that it was done by S&D themselves is great. As you say, many cars out there must have a past (whether openly known about or not) and at least with this one everything is known to the last detail.
You guys have a great car there, at a great price... just such a pity it was resprayed from Silver!!!
PS. Can you hold it at that price until next year when I can afford to upgrade!?
Hexhamhc said:
Hi everyone, just to clear up any misunderstanding regarding our Black Sagaris that we have for sale, the details on its history are as follows. In August 2010 the then owner, a chap who was local to us, lost control of the car in the wet and left the road. The car ended up in a field having gone through a 5-strand wire fence. The car suffered panel damage due to the fence wires but was fully repairable and was dealt with by his insurance company. The car did require fibreglass repairs to some of the panels but the only items replaced were the front splitters and 'sharks teeth', along with the drivers door mirror. The bodywork and paint repairs were carried out to the highest standard by Surface and Design on our behalf and their invoice came to just under £5,500 exc. VAT. When the car returned to us from Blackpool we then carried out the mechanical side of the repairs, this included replacing all four wheels and tyres, fitting new headlamp covers, fitting a new rear spoiler and mountings, replacing the o/s upper suspension arm and bushes, and carrying out a full four-wheel geometry check. Whilst the car was undergoing the paintwork repairs the owner took the option to have the car colour-changed from its original silver metallic as he'd never really liked the colour! Finally the car had a full Paintshield kit installed following the completion of the repairs. At no time was it contemplated that the insurance company may decline to repair the car, and the repairs were well below the percentage cost relative to the value of the car that usually means they decline to repair. There is no category or insurance marker attached to the vehicle. Four years and four thousand miles on it still looks fabulous and is a testament to the quality of workmanship from S & D!!
A year on from the repairs we were very happy to buy the car from the owner and then supply it to its last owner in 2011.
I'm sure that given the passage of time there are many other TVRs out there that may have a similar tale to tell. Perhaps not all of them will have had the benefit of being repaired by the folks who carried out this work whilst the cars were still in production!
I hope that this may help to clear up any false impressions or misunderstandings that may have arisen regarding our Sagaris. We are also very happy to talk with anyone who likes the look of the car but perhaps has doubts over the trim colours etc. We do have trimmers that we use in Blackpool who would be very happy to create a bespoke solution if required.
A year on from the repairs we were very happy to buy the car from the owner and then supply it to its last owner in 2011.
I'm sure that given the passage of time there are many other TVRs out there that may have a similar tale to tell. Perhaps not all of them will have had the benefit of being repaired by the folks who carried out this work whilst the cars were still in production!
I hope that this may help to clear up any false impressions or misunderstandings that may have arisen regarding our Sagaris. We are also very happy to talk with anyone who likes the look of the car but perhaps has doubts over the trim colours etc. We do have trimmers that we use in Blackpool who would be very happy to create a bespoke solution if required.
great, thanks.My first Tuscan had done some off roading before I bought it.
I had a look at the Target Sagaris last week. I've had mixed reports on its condition but decided against it due to the Car D label.
This one at HHC was pointed out to me last week but right now I'm nearer in location to that one in Germany
Edited by so called on Tuesday 5th August 11:50
mr sagman said:
Legacywr said:
As soon as I saw that up for sale in that colour with a lovely interior colour, I just new it would be sold almost immediately.. These buyers of these cars are very very colour conscious, And reflex charcoal is right up there with the best colours, I hope the lucky purchaser makes himself known soon. Don1 said:
Don't be put off by non-rebuilt engine'd cars. The 4.0 engine by the time the Sag arrived was pretty good.
My engine had half a dozen things wrong with it at 16,000 miles, very poor quality, not worth repairing and led to me having a str8 six 4.3 built from scratch.
In my experience the latest engine' as bad as the 2002 in my old T350, budget for a new engine when you buy!
[quote=Hollowpockets]
No it wasn't
My engine had half a dozen things wrong with it at 16,000 miles, very poor quality, not worth repairing and led to me having a str8 six 4.3 built from scratch.
In my experience the latest engine' as bad as the 2002 in my old T350, budget for a new engine when you buy
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