Joining the Sagaris fold
Discussion
Well, finally happening!
After years without a TVR, I'm coming back. Went back to old fords for a while, Capri's and escorts etc.
But permission granted, funds available and now back with a bang. Wanted a Sagaris since I first saw one and now its happening. Not decided which one yet, gotta try them all out.
Any out there I should avoid??? (dodgy history)
I want a standard one, not played with, definitely not a green interior, prefer black. Not worried on colour. Its going to be a keeper though, I intend to not get shot of.
Got best insurance estimate from classicline - any good as an insurer?
In a very happy place right now lol
Alan
After years without a TVR, I'm coming back. Went back to old fords for a while, Capri's and escorts etc.
But permission granted, funds available and now back with a bang. Wanted a Sagaris since I first saw one and now its happening. Not decided which one yet, gotta try them all out.
Any out there I should avoid??? (dodgy history)
I want a standard one, not played with, definitely not a green interior, prefer black. Not worried on colour. Its going to be a keeper though, I intend to not get shot of.
Got best insurance estimate from classicline - any good as an insurer?
In a very happy place right now lol
Alan
See who the underlying company is and form your own opinion - they are a broker. Just ask, they will tell you.
I have mine on my Chimaera through them with Equity Red Star.
Top notch service from Classic Line themselves, phone always answered immediately by the lovely Lauren, who actually understands what TVRs are about, and I have UK track day cover too, as well as unlimited mileage.
You will want an agreed value I guess, and I do have to add that I have never had a claim. But i have not heard anything negative from anyone who has.
I have mine on my Chimaera through them with Equity Red Star.
Top notch service from Classic Line themselves, phone always answered immediately by the lovely Lauren, who actually understands what TVRs are about, and I have UK track day cover too, as well as unlimited mileage.
You will want an agreed value I guess, and I do have to add that I have never had a claim. But i have not heard anything negative from anyone who has.
There is a thread a few weeks back concerning the 'cheap' black one with the green interior. And the dealer came on here with a very open and honest account of the car.
I must say, if I were looking at a black one.... That would be first on my list to go see. As long as the paint job and repair look good, I'd then haggle £1000 off to help towards a full Oyster/Black interior retrim. It's been for sale a few months now. They will want to move it on now.
I must say, if I were looking at a black one.... That would be first on my list to go see. As long as the paint job and repair look good, I'd then haggle £1000 off to help towards a full Oyster/Black interior retrim. It's been for sale a few months now. They will want to move it on now.
At the end of the day, the kind of people who buy Sagarises are looking for the things that help maintain value, so low mileage, immaculate, service history etc.
All TVRs from Chim/Griff onwards can be quite tricky to shift with anything over 60,000 miles. Yes, diesel Eurobox running in mileage, I know, but its true.
All TVRs from Chim/Griff onwards can be quite tricky to shift with anything over 60,000 miles. Yes, diesel Eurobox running in mileage, I know, but its true.
Yep, looked and read about the black one. I have no problem if fixed right, but I dont think black suits a Sag, or green interior. So not a lot of point if needs colour change in and out. I honestly dont mid CAT d if repaired properly and owner is honest about it and it is priced accordingly. Problem with bashed cars is people buy them bashed and cheap, then repair them and forget they should still be cheap (around a third off book price I thought), but they want top money for them still, which is wrong. I think thats a problem with prices, people are looking as 'investments', even dealers advertising them as that. They are cars, the whole point of TVR was affordable quick, bonkers looking cars I thought. I want one to drive and have fun in, all my cars have that and are taken out all the time.
Originally looked at T350t, but wasnt massively impressed. I like the T350, I am just not sure about the nose on it, looks a bit porker/griffith love child. Same as Tam not sure about rear. Seems to work in some colours (I also got told this so I am not mad in thinking the colour makes it look ok! lol).
But the Sag has always drawn me.
Its the same with the old fords, they command crazy money now. Even parts are crazy. That scrappage scheme was the stupidest thing ever created in this country and I hope whoever invented it gets run over by an old car.
But back to Sags, I quite like the red glow one at bespoke and the guys there (martin/skip) seem friendly enough. Cant seem to find any info on here about that one though. Some nice low mileage ones, but not too sure on them. As if anything I learnt from my cars, they like to be used, leave em lying around and they start to go wrong as soon as you start to use them again, so these low milers may be more problematic later. Is this correct with these?
As for the topgear one commanding top money, is this right? Should it be that expensive? High mileage and video proof its been thrown around a track. You just know even in topgear alone it had a few offs, but they edit that out. In my mind that makes it worth much less?? All the press would have treated worse than a renter as well.
Ideally looking for some pointers in the history of some of the cars listed for sale on here. Been warned that the international ones have a ropey past. Also read on here about it too.
Alan
Originally looked at T350t, but wasnt massively impressed. I like the T350, I am just not sure about the nose on it, looks a bit porker/griffith love child. Same as Tam not sure about rear. Seems to work in some colours (I also got told this so I am not mad in thinking the colour makes it look ok! lol).
But the Sag has always drawn me.
Its the same with the old fords, they command crazy money now. Even parts are crazy. That scrappage scheme was the stupidest thing ever created in this country and I hope whoever invented it gets run over by an old car.
But back to Sags, I quite like the red glow one at bespoke and the guys there (martin/skip) seem friendly enough. Cant seem to find any info on here about that one though. Some nice low mileage ones, but not too sure on them. As if anything I learnt from my cars, they like to be used, leave em lying around and they start to go wrong as soon as you start to use them again, so these low milers may be more problematic later. Is this correct with these?
As for the topgear one commanding top money, is this right? Should it be that expensive? High mileage and video proof its been thrown around a track. You just know even in topgear alone it had a few offs, but they edit that out. In my mind that makes it worth much less?? All the press would have treated worse than a renter as well.
Ideally looking for some pointers in the history of some of the cars listed for sale on here. Been warned that the international ones have a ropey past. Also read on here about it too.
Alan
Everyone's priorities are different. For me, in order of importance would be:
- HPI Clear (no problem with Catd's personally, but don't want the issues if I ever needed to sell without hassle)
- Low number of previous owners (something I always look out for. no real reason)
- An engine rebuild at some point conducted by TVR Power, str8six etc
- Correct exterior colour (not dark, as outrageous as possible, metallic)
- Correct interior colour (not Green or beige)
- Originality (wheels, steering wheels etc... can all be changed back quite easily)
- Mileage (The same point I raised with the HPI status might come in to play above 60000 miles, but I would not think twice for anything below that. In fact, the higher the better sometimes as it shows regular use and shows the engine is a good one)
- History of track use (or for example being an ex press car). Mechanical components can be replaced. And if they've spent some time on the track it probably means they have been set up well. The only danger is that the car may have had an off which was not recorded. As for the Top Gear car, I'd actually love that cred attached to my car. The 'other' Top Gear car, the blue one which did the power lap was for sale recently at TrackVRoad and looked delicious
- Bottom of list - buying at a dealer. Its nice to have a warranty, but that runs out eventually. There are plenty of Speed Six genie's who would happily give an impartial private car the once over in exchange for a few beers
- HPI Clear (no problem with Catd's personally, but don't want the issues if I ever needed to sell without hassle)
- Low number of previous owners (something I always look out for. no real reason)
- An engine rebuild at some point conducted by TVR Power, str8six etc
- Correct exterior colour (not dark, as outrageous as possible, metallic)
- Correct interior colour (not Green or beige)
- Originality (wheels, steering wheels etc... can all be changed back quite easily)
- Mileage (The same point I raised with the HPI status might come in to play above 60000 miles, but I would not think twice for anything below that. In fact, the higher the better sometimes as it shows regular use and shows the engine is a good one)
- History of track use (or for example being an ex press car). Mechanical components can be replaced. And if they've spent some time on the track it probably means they have been set up well. The only danger is that the car may have had an off which was not recorded. As for the Top Gear car, I'd actually love that cred attached to my car. The 'other' Top Gear car, the blue one which did the power lap was for sale recently at TrackVRoad and looked delicious
- Bottom of list - buying at a dealer. Its nice to have a warranty, but that runs out eventually. There are plenty of Speed Six genie's who would happily give an impartial private car the once over in exchange for a few beers
Edited by AOK on Friday 5th September 09:09
I had a good look round Fernhursts stock at the start of the week when I dropped mine off and the light blue sagaris really caught my eye, mind you most of the stuff in there did!
I work in the motor trade and it's interesting how a lot of people get hung up on cars that have had a few owners.
With these sorts of cars you will get people who buy them, fall out of love with it for any number of reasons and move it on in a short space of time. I can think of a fair few cars I've seen be sold and come back in a very short space of time for reasons that had nothing to do with the car. So in my opinion the amount of owners should not be used as a stick to beat a car with.
I work in the motor trade and it's interesting how a lot of people get hung up on cars that have had a few owners.
With these sorts of cars you will get people who buy them, fall out of love with it for any number of reasons and move it on in a short space of time. I can think of a fair few cars I've seen be sold and come back in a very short space of time for reasons that had nothing to do with the car. So in my opinion the amount of owners should not be used as a stick to beat a car with.
TOV!E said:
The owner has now taken it back home after it was explained on here what had happened to it....
I see. I still firmly stick with my opinion which I made on that other thread - Black simply doesn't sell easily on a Sagaris. And to have read that it was re-sprayed from a light colour was so frustrating!I got no problem with CAT D as long as priced appropriately. But black and green a no go for me. I cannot even remotely dream of silver car with a green interior? But thats just me, I am not a fan of green. Army green maybe.... lol(exterior). Maybe I'm boring, I want a grey or black interior. Out side can be as crazy as anything though.
Again no problem with owners, Generally cars get the most loving and £££ spent on them in the first and last month of ownership. So a few owners means had a lot of love. Where as one owner could just treat it bad from beginning to end. You just have no idea really, cos no one will ever say 'yeah, mines crap I treat it bad' will they. Swings and roundabouts.
As for Sags though, is a rebuilt engine imperitive? Is it as required as it is for a 2000 speed6?
Again no problem with owners, Generally cars get the most loving and £££ spent on them in the first and last month of ownership. So a few owners means had a lot of love. Where as one owner could just treat it bad from beginning to end. You just have no idea really, cos no one will ever say 'yeah, mines crap I treat it bad' will they. Swings and roundabouts.
As for Sags though, is a rebuilt engine imperitive? Is it as required as it is for a 2000 speed6?
shake n bake said:
TOV!E said:
The owner has now taken it back home after it was explained on here what had happened to it....
I enjoy a good story but can't find the thread, can anyone post a link please??The previous owner knew all about the car, the current owner is HHC, it's not SOR and is still for sale.
The other Sag at HHC (the 3000 miler) has been withdrawn from sale because the owner has decided he may like to keep it..as the owner of that car, I know that to be true
Getting things this wrong will do nothing to help the dealer sell the car...
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 5th September 12:28
AOK said:
I see. I still firmly stick with my opinion which I made on that other thread - Black simply doesn't sell easily on a Sagaris. And to have read that it was re-sprayed from a light colour was so frustrating!
But it appears you don't see. Someone has posted the truth. Tovie should delete his post, as should anyone else who's quoted him so there's no misunderstanding in the futureray von said:
AOK said:
I see. I still firmly stick with my opinion which I made on that other thread - Black simply doesn't sell easily on a Sagaris. And to have read that it was re-sprayed from a light colour was so frustrating!
But it appears you don't see. Someone has posted the truth. Tovie should delete his post, as should anyone else who's quoted him so there's no misunderstanding in the futureI don't think deleting posts will help anyone, in fact it might cause confusion if one or two remain. I think the misunderstanding is well documented here. To clear it up for any newcomers:
To clarify the Moonraker Black with Ocean Green full hide trim and Green carpets (and circa 23,000 miles) is still available for sale and is the one discussed in the link I posted earlier. The Spectra Flare Grey car with 3,000 miles has been removed from sale by TVRMS as he has decided to keep it in light of how awesome they are.
Edited by AOK on Friday 5th September 17:07
Gassing Station | Tamora, T350 & Sagaris | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff