TVR Power 4.3 here I come - great deal!

[chris watton]

billynobrakes said:

I am not going to Burghley, catch up another time

Am sure we'll bump into each other at some point - I plan to be using my Tam a lot once I get her back.

Regarding the hoses - I don't know! Before deciding on Dom, I did read and go through every single thread about engine upgrades. In fact, it was Dom's 4.3 that made me decide to go for another Tamora instead of a Z4M or GD Cobra with LS3 engine - before looking into it, I hadn't realised just how vibrant the TVR scene was concerning parts and upgrades and making the S6 better than new.

I have to concede that, after reading the many hundreds of threads and posts about the upgrades (and I have read every single one from 2007 onwards), I don't ever recall silicon hoses being mentioned at all in any adverse way. Most use the ACT hoses and a lot have used the Aaron radiator, with many changing the rad themselves without issue. I thought I had made wise choices based on all the information and feedback I had read, and never thought for a second that there'd be a problem. and why would I, it's never been mentioned before.

With hindsight, perhaps I should have asked Dom before buying the parts, but as I said, there is no history at all regarding problems with these parts being fitted, so it never even entered my mind to ask - I assumed it was a given that they are quality parts!

[gacksen]

ACT hoses in T350 no problem. ACT hoses in Chimaera plus Aaron rad in chimaera no problem.
Cheapest chinese crap silicone hose and cheapest chinese ally rad in datsun 240z no problem.

so why should those hoses be a problem from now on then ?

dont understand the debate about silicone hoses voiding a warranty
as act does not seem to be your friendly chinese neighbour selling those items
if i would want to test the warranty i would get a new 4.3 and trash the hell
out of it beeing cold as a daily. well see how long it lasts.

[mk1fan]

Andy_mr2sc said:

mk1fan said:

I'd still like to know where the ACT ones kink.

They don't....

So a trader states that product A has a defect. They then state that their version (let's call it product B) doesn't have this defect. They then don't give specifics of product A's defect.

Is this acceptable behaviour from a specialist we (as a small community of enthusiasts) rely upon, trust and pay significant money too for their services?

[2 sMoKiN bArReLs]

mk1fan said:

Andy_mr2sc said:

mk1fan said:

I'd still like to know where the ACT ones kink.

They don't....

So a trader states that product A has a defect. They then state that their version (let's call it product B) doesn't have this defect. They then don't give specifics of product A's defect.

Is this acceptable behaviour from a specialist we (as a small community of enthusiasts) rely upon, trust and pay significant money too for their services?

To be fair, if I were giving a decent warranty I would want to pick all the components

[gacksen]

what about the difference in warranty to a Str8six rebuilt ?

they also have problems with ACT hoses ?

[Zippee]

2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:

mk1fan said:

Andy_mr2sc said:

mk1fan said:

I'd still like to know where the ACT ones kink.

They don't....

So a trader states that product A has a defect. They then state that their version (let's call it product B) doesn't have this defect. They then don't give specifics of product A's defect.

Is this acceptable behaviour from a specialist we (as a small community of enthusiasts) rely upon, trust and pay significant money too for their services?

To be fair, if I were giving a decent warranty I would want to pick all the components

But as per my comment on the last page where does it state this in the warranty?
If it hasn't been for this thread I'd have unwittingly voided my warranty.
I'm more than happy to stick to certain conditions but it's great to know what they are from the off.

[chris watton]

Just did a search for silicon hoses on Powers' website, came up with nothing. I then went through the entire 27 page Tamora product listings, and no silicon coolant hoses are there! There are various oil hoses, braided hoses, but no Powers stamped silicon hoses.

If they were there, I probably would have bought them when I bought the clutch, flywheel amd slave cylinder package last year.

ETA - Ah, found them in the 'Kits and Upgrades category

http://www.powersperformance.co.uk/store/slug/powe...

They seem to be for the Tuscan and Sag..

Edited by chris watton on Sunday 1st March 13:44

[chris watton]

Zippee said:

But as per my comment on the last page where does it state this in the warranty?
If it hasn't been for this thread I'd have unwittingly voided my warranty.
I'm more than happy to stick to certain conditions but it's great to know what they are from the off.

YHM

[TOV!E]

Zippee said:

But as per my comment on the last page where does it state this in the warranty?
If it hasn't been for this thread I'd have unwittingly voided my warranty.
I'm more than happy to stick to certain conditions but it's great to know what they are from the off.

Tony , you had better change the hoses back before Dom reads this post.....

[mk1fan]

2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:

mk1fan said:

Andy_mr2sc said:

mk1fan said:

I'd still like to know where the ACT ones kink.

They don't....

So a trader states that product A has a defect. They then state that their version (let's call it product B) doesn't have this defect. They then don't give specifics of product A's defect.

Is this acceptable behaviour from a specialist we (as a small community of enthusiasts) rely upon, trust and pay significant money too for their services?

To be fair, if I were giving a decent warranty I would want to pick all the components

The warranty points came after the comment about the product being defective. A company is free to determine the terms of their warranty. I have no issue with a company saying you have to fit their products to maintain a warranty.

THIS IS NOT THE POINT I AM MAKING.

I asked very early in this thread what hoses were kinking. The specialist concerned hasn't answered this simple follow up question to a statement they made. To me that is, at the very best, unprofessional.

Now, it could be that the OP has either misheard or has made it up.

It would be nice to have it clarified. It was either said or it wasn't. If it was, then further information would be very handy for those of us who have the hoses concerned. If it wasn't, then this needs to be finalised.

[Andy_mr2sc]

The standard hoses (if like my Tuscan ones) are reinforced rubber. These are known to break down over time and perish hence so many 'upgrade' to silicone hoses from various different sources. There is no mention in the warranty about having to upgrade to their hoses as part of the conversion so I think I'd be right in saying they'd be happy for the owner to keep the original ones. I cannot see a justifiable reason why high quality silicone hoses from a reputable source couldn't be used except if there was a fitment issue from say a different or modified engine layout. Surely the original hoses being ten plus years old would be a greater potential risk?

[m4tti]

its a little bit like anti competition law. Oh hold on.. That was outlawed on new cars and mainstream manufacturers allowing you to have your car serviced else where whilst maintaining the warranty.

[2 sMoKiN bArReLs]

m4tti said:

its a little bit like anti competition law. Oh hold on.. That was outlawed on new cars and mainstream manufacturers allowing you to have your car serviced else where whilst maintaining the warranty.

....as long as you use the parts they specify

[chris watton]

My car's ready to be picked up - but cannot get up there as wife's back at work, dammit. May get a hire car to drive up..

[coco79]

So I presume you would void your warranty if you changed to third-party airbox, leads, exhaust setup etc?

Edited by coco79 on Monday 2nd March 10:36

[Andy_mr2sc]

coco79 said:

So I presume you would void your warranty if you changed to third-party airbox, leads, exhaust setup etc?

Edited by coco79 on Monday 2nd March 10:36

It would only be ok if you used parts approved and/or supplied by Powers.
In other words you are tied in to them for the warranty period. Understandable I guess so they know exactly what is being modified and approve it. Also a very very shrewd marketing ploy.

[TOV!E]

F

chris watton said:

My car's ready to be picked up - but cannot get up there as wife's back at work, dammit. May get a hire car to drive up..

Chris, if it was me I would be walking up there if I had too......get your arse in gear and go and get her

[chris watton]

TOV!E said:

Chris, if it was me I would be walking up there if I had too......get your arse in gear and go and get her

I can't! Am out in the sticks. Am stuck until I can get my wife to either take me up or get a hire car - and she's working 'tll 6.00 all this week, dammit!

[Tvr Power]

m4tti said:

its a little bit like anti competition law. Oh hold on.. That was outlawed on new cars and mainstream manufacturers allowing you to have your car serviced else where whilst maintaining the warranty.

I have no issues with ACT products, they do not invalidate our engine warranties. As for aftermarket ECU's this will invalidate any engine warranties from us for obvious reasons.

Hope this clears things up.

Dom

[mk1fan]

chris watton said:

I can't! Am out in the sticks. Am stuck until I can get my wife to either take me up or get a hire car - and she's working 'tll 6.00 all this week, dammit!

If Tamy wasn't in bits I would drive up a take you there. Nice sunny day as well!