Considering a Sagaris -any info on these cars please?

Considering a Sagaris -any info on these cars please?

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gacksen

680 posts

142 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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prices are made by the demand of the buyers. there are people that want this car and they
dont care about the amount and others do. some have knowledge of those cars others don´t and
buy based on dealer reputation as beeing afraid to buy private so spent more.

e.g. 40K T350 4.3 at str8six that has been sold. on the other hand in the ads T350 4.3 for 28K at tvr mads
for sale a long long time. going down as low as 25K for a 4.1 from private. you would get 2x T350
for the price of one sagaris for technically an almost identical car except of the body.
don´t know if i would swallow the pill in spending twice the amount but can understand that people do.

chris watton

22,477 posts

259 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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I am pretty sure the Sag is wider (body and track) than the T350, and there is a little more elbow space in the cabin.

gacksen

680 posts

142 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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chris watton said:
I am pretty sure the Sag is wider (body and track) than the T350, and there is a little more elbow space in the cabin.
some say more inches are prefered but car wise would think about spending twice the amount for 2 laugh

billynobrakes

2,675 posts

264 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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chris watton said:
I am pretty sure the Sag is wider (body and track) than the T350, and there is a little more elbow space in the cabin.
The pick up points are wider not the chassis is the same as a T350 the wings are wider the cabin is exactly the same with same interior

PuffsBack

2,428 posts

224 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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gacksen said:
prices are made by the demand of the buyers. there are people that want this car and they
dont care about the amount and others do. some have knowledge of those cars others don´t and
buy based on dealer reputation as beeing afraid to buy private so spent more.

e.g. 40K T350 4.3 at str8six that has been sold. on the other hand in the ads T350 4.3 for 28K at tvr mads
for sale a long long time. going down as low as 25K for a 4.1 from private. you would get 2x T350
for the price of one sagaris for technically an almost identical car except of the body.
don´t know if i would swallow the pill in spending twice the amount but can understand that people do.
I agree with a lot of this. Prices are being skewed at the top end by collectors who are only interested in the very best examples and are happy to pay a premium for them. The 4.3 at STR8Six is a prime example, 40k is eye watering for a T350 but they had no problem shifting it at that price because of its uniqueness.
A £65k low mileage perfect factory standard Sag stands a much better chance of selling than a 50k less than perfect one simply because that's what the current buyers want

Lotus E300S

339 posts

111 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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I don't think mileage is a major issue, Str8six sell higher mileage cars no problem, I would say colour and interior have a big factor on prices, I was put off good cars because of poor colours.

gacksen

680 posts

142 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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it will be interesting to see what happens if the new TVR will be available and the impact on the used car market.
the sagaris itself is quite unique in its kind but i dont expect the prices to climb higher as long as there is this
big gap between sag and T350 pricing. what will go up is the tuscan tamora t350 cerbera and maybe a little the chimaera and griffith. cars in soso condition will either be restored or will vanish from the market. on collectors perspective factory standard with matching numbers engine is a must. buying on drivers perspective would be on the lookout for a fully sorted modded car but that is just my 50 cent e.g. the 4.5 T350 at 33K. if i would need to spent around 30K the next days for something that will gain value for 100 percent would buy a 996 turbo with manual gearbox in a decent condition.

Edited by gacksen on Thursday 30th July 12:35

Lotus E300S

339 posts

111 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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The Sag has the wow factor the other cars just don't have, when i look at the other models I think that's a good looking car, when I look at a Sag I think fk me ( in a good way )

It makes a Lambo look like a vauxhall

Edited by Lotus E300S on Thursday 30th July 12:54

gacksen

680 posts

142 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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Lotus E300S said:
The Sag has the wow factor the other cars just don't have, when i look at the other models I think that's a good looking car, when I look at a Sag I think fk me ( in a good way )

It makes a Lambo look like a vauxhall

Edited by Lotus E300S on Thursday 30th July 12:54
i am with you in this point biggrin biggest problem of a lot of cars beeing long on the market
are the "special" color combinations of exterior and interior. if the buyer would have chosen
a more conservative path in regards of colors would have made things easy in the long run.

PuffsBack

2,428 posts

224 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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gacksen said:
i am with you in this point biggrin biggest problem of a lot of cars beeing long on the market
are the "special" color combinations of exterior and interior. if the buyer would have chosen
a more conservative path in regards of colors would have made things easy in the long run.
Very true. I suspect the reason my Sag was so long on the market was simply because the interior was a little out the ordinary. In fact I myself ignored the car for a while because of this, and the fact it was the opposite side of the country to me meant I didn't think it warranted a look.

However I did a similar thing back in 2004 when looking for a Chimaera. Couldn't find a decent one for love nor money and was ignoring one car in what seemed to be a hideous colour (Californian Sage Green) sounded disgusting so I just complete discounted it. Eventually as it was near me I took a look - WOW!! - bought it on the spot, it was beautiful. Funnily enough its actually for sale at the moment (I sold it back in 2006 to buy a Griff) - http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/t...

So based on that experience I convinced myself the Sag might be worth a look - so glad I did, again in the flesh the interior that didn't photograph well was absolutely gorgeous, very very well thoughtout colour wise. Beautiful light and airy cabin, a pleasure to be in.


gacksen

680 posts

142 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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PuffsBack said:
Very true. I suspect the reason my Sag was so long on the market was simply because the interior was a little out the ordinary. In fact I myself ignored the car for a while because of this, and the fact it was the opposite side of the country to me meant I didn't think it warranted a look.

However I did a similar thing back in 2004 when looking for a Chimaera. Couldn't find a decent one for love nor money and was ignoring one car in what seemed to be a hideous colour (Californian Sage Green) sounded disgusting so I just complete discounted it. Eventually as it was near me I took a look - WOW!! - bought it on the spot, it was beautiful. Funnily enough its actually for sale at the moment (I sold it back in 2006 to buy a Griff) - http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/t...

So based on that experience I convinced myself the Sag might be worth a look - so glad I did, again in the flesh the interior that didn't photograph well was absolutely gorgeous, very very well thoughtout colour wise. Beautiful light and airy cabin, a pleasure to be in.
have seen the color on a lexus if i do remember correctly and the pictures dont do justice that are online. of course depends anytime on the personal liking but e.g. wouldnt buy myself a black sag or a black t350. the shape of the car is
hidden by a to dark color. mine is currently undergoing major restauration and had been reflex charcoal. it is ok but went back to the roots with a classic british green colour. interior on mine had been almost fully green. when driving sometime it feels like walls moving closer. will now be black on black with alcantara and green stiching. exterior some carbon parts and gold wheels of different shape compared to the article in the sprint mag. when it is finished it is in better as new condition.

@PuffsBack

post a pic of your sag biggrin

mycroft

1,545 posts

246 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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PuffsBack said:
Very true. I suspect the reason my Sag was so long on the market was simply because the interior was a little out the ordinary. In fact I myself ignored the car for a while because of this, and the fact it was the opposite side of the country to me meant I didn't think it warranted a look.

However I did a similar thing back in 2004 when looking for a Chimaera. Couldn't find a decent one for love nor money and was ignoring one car in what seemed to be a hideous colour (Californian Sage Green) sounded disgusting so I just complete discounted it. Eventually as it was near me I took a look - WOW!! - bought it on the spot, it was beautiful. Funnily enough its actually for sale at the moment (I sold it back in 2006 to buy a Griff) - http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/t...

So based on that experience I convinced myself the Sag might be worth a look - so glad I did, again in the flesh the interior that didn't photograph well was absolutely gorgeous, very very well thoughtout colour wise. Beautiful light and airy cabin, a pleasure to be in.
Thought your car was gorgeous in that colour combo .
You really have got to look at cars in the flesh .
Nice to meet you last Saturday .
Dale

PuffsBack

2,428 posts

224 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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mycroft said:
Thought your car was gorgeous in that colour combo .
You really have got to look at cars in the flesh .
Nice to meet you last Saturday .
Dale
Was good to meet you to, and good to see a Tam out and about, so rare to see one, I am trying to remember last time I saw one in the flesh before yours - must be years ago.

Saturday was a great day, lots of fun to be had by all. My 9yr old daughter loved the run in the passenger seat through the grounds past the crowds.

Followed up by a very good Sunday as well. Was over at the Helminghall Festival of Classic and Sports cars. The Sag was swamped with admirers smile



x works

172 posts

170 months

Friday 14th August 2015
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James @ TVR mads has a bobby dazzler of a Sag if anybody is in the market for one
We have just serviced it ,
A big credit to the last owners ..
No signs of abuse at all
3.9 diff and C.R Stamped on the gearbox !!
Very very tidy car , cams A1 , valve clearance spot on
Wouldn't be a wasted journey if you had a few miles to travel to view it

Price wise , must be in the middle to top of all the other , must be .. Ohhhh and A/C is fitted

PuffsBack

2,428 posts

224 months

Friday 14th August 2015
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x works said:
James @ TVR mads has a bobby dazzler of a Sag if anybody is in the market for one
We have just serviced it ,
A big credit to the last owners ..
No signs of abuse at all
3.9 diff and C.R Stamped on the gearbox !!
Very very tidy car , cams A1 , valve clearance spot on
Wouldn't be a wasted journey if you had a few miles to travel to view it

Price wise , must be in the middle to top of all the other , must be .. Ohhhh and A/C is fitted
As you can see above the last Sag you had knocking about isn't looking to bad either smile


Edited by PuffsBack on Friday 14th August 21:19

x works

172 posts

170 months

Sunday 16th August 2015
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Nice one Martin
Have you done any tweeks yet , did you lift the leather trim back to its former glory with those magic sponges ??
Glad you are enjoying the Sag , I think it's a great car
2 more weeks and I'm opening that Vino you got us , top man thanks ..

PuffsBack

2,428 posts

224 months

Sunday 16th August 2015
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x works said:
Nice one Martin
Have you done any tweeks yet , did you lift the leather trim back to its former glory with those magic sponges ??
Glad you are enjoying the Sag , I think it's a great car
2 more weeks and I'm opening that Vino you got us , top man thanks ..
Lol - yes the bloody sponges worked a treat! Leather has come up like new!! Ordered a new gear and handbrake gaiter however as they are looking a little worn. Also fitted the stainless steel power steering cradle that Mick never got around to fitting. Fixed the drivers sun blind that kept flopping down if you removed the wedge of cardboard holding it up. Also found a tiny pin prick of a leak from the ali rad so thats been repaired.

Only thing driving me nuts is the reversing light, the grub screw keeps working its way loose at the base of the gear stick - I take the centre console to bits, tighten it up, reversing light works a treat. 30 miles later grub screw is loose again.Must have tightened it 5 times!! Going to try some Loctite 243 on it this time!

Surface and Design also located some Chameleon Orange paint for me - just in case!!

Whats the occasion for the Vino? Last day of freedom ?smilesmile



x works

172 posts

170 months

Sunday 16th August 2015
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Ha haa yes , 2 weeks left of freedom..
My tracker is being fitted soon !!!

On the loose gearstick front ... If you can get hold of one ..
Remove gearstick , then with a angled drill ... Drill more of a recess into the stub so the grub screw goes in a few more mm,
Yes .. And more lock tight , make shure reverse works fine / tweek it a bit / then build it back up,
Or remove stubb 4 bolts etc ... Do in vice
Hope that helps
Ohh those miracle sponges .... Just ordered a box full

PuffsBack

2,428 posts

224 months

Monday 17th August 2015
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x works said:
Ha haa yes , 2 weeks left of freedom..
My tracker is being fitted soon !!!

On the loose gearstick front ... If you can get hold of one ..
Remove gearstick , then with a angled drill ... Drill more of a recess into the stub so the grub screw goes in a few more mm,
Yes .. And more lock tight , make shure reverse works fine / tweek it a bit / then build it back up,
Or remove stubb 4 bolts etc ... Do in vice
Hope that helps
Ohh those miracle sponges .... Just ordered a box full
smile how did I just know you would have an answer. Will give it a go when I take it apart again to fix the new gaiters.


My very very best wishes to you and the soon to become Mrs Briggs for the big day and all the best for the future