Sagaris buying advice required
Discussion
phoenixz said:
With Ferrari, Lamborghini or any of the other big classic names, the more original the better. But with the smaller manufacturers and more niche marques it doesn't seem to present a problem. (you don't see many lotus or noble owners clamoring for original parts)
Not so sure. These will eventually become a rare classic. Look at todays classics, E-types/Dino/DB6' etc. etc. Originality is king. Find yourself an original, drive it and look after it. The S6 engines upgrades shouldn't adversely affect the overall value of the car. I would imagine it would be a huge plus. After all, it's exactly the same engine, visually, as the original and only the (sometimes poor) internals are replaced with better spec parts. More power with more reliability (and more peace of mind), where's the down side to that?
Putting another engine in altogether is another story..
For example, if I wanted an old classic, I would prefer one where the cylinder head has hardened valve seats so I can use unleaded, and not faff with additives every time I fill up.
Putting another engine in altogether is another story..
For example, if I wanted an old classic, I would prefer one where the cylinder head has hardened valve seats so I can use unleaded, and not faff with additives every time I fill up.
NeilC73 said:
Not so sure. These will eventually become a rare classic. Look at todays classics, E-types/Dino/DB6' etc. etc. Originality is king. Find yourself an original, drive it and look after it.
All depends on what the buyer is after. Even these days people are looking for classics that are usable.If knowledgeable buyer, I think it is reasonable to assume proper engine rebuild would be a bonus.
LS conversation not an advantage, but an original speed 6 rebuilt with good quality parts and original
issues "sorted" would be a more desirable factor.
when it comes down to classics you must take into account matching number engines etc.....
e.g. most of the rebuilt ones dont have that so this would be a minus. also of course in terms
of classic collectors any upgrades like 3.9 / 4.1 / 4.3 / 4.5 LS etc. when looking for a classic
car myself i am more than happy to accept upgrades instead of sorting stuff out by myself.
when my T350 is finished it is in better than new condition with anything new except the engine
and some minor parts. better as the factory ever could have done it. if i would sell it
i would only do it to have some space for new projects and price is min 50K to cover the investments.
what i can honestly say there is no other T350 or sagaris in this condition.
e.g. most of the rebuilt ones dont have that so this would be a minus. also of course in terms
of classic collectors any upgrades like 3.9 / 4.1 / 4.3 / 4.5 LS etc. when looking for a classic
car myself i am more than happy to accept upgrades instead of sorting stuff out by myself.
when my T350 is finished it is in better than new condition with anything new except the engine
and some minor parts. better as the factory ever could have done it. if i would sell it
i would only do it to have some space for new projects and price is min 50K to cover the investments.
what i can honestly say there is no other T350 or sagaris in this condition.
Congratulations rocco I am sure you will enjoy it and love all the attention it brings, never fails to bring me home with a massive smile on my face
They are all original very special tvr designed and powered and just ooooze that feel good feeling. Not to mention at 10 years old still looking the dogs.
Friend at work told me it was a Ferrari today, obviously I soon corrected him and told him it was TVR!
Never had a bad word sad about it and for such outrageous looks it seems loved by everyone
They are all original very special tvr designed and powered and just ooooze that feel good feeling. Not to mention at 10 years old still looking the dogs.
Friend at work told me it was a Ferrari today, obviously I soon corrected him and told him it was TVR!
Never had a bad word sad about it and for such outrageous looks it seems loved by everyone
crimbo said:
Congratulations rocco I am sure you will enjoy it and love all the attention it brings, never fails to bring me home with a massive smile on my face
They are all original very special tvr designed and powered and just ooooze that feel good feeling. Not to mention at 10 years old still looking the dogs.
Friend at work told me it was a Ferrari today, obviously I soon corrected him and told him it was TVR!
Never had a bad word sad about it and for such outrageous looks it seems loved by everyone
Thanks mate They are all original very special tvr designed and powered and just ooooze that feel good feeling. Not to mention at 10 years old still looking the dogs.
Friend at work told me it was a Ferrari today, obviously I soon corrected him and told him it was TVR!
Never had a bad word sad about it and for such outrageous looks it seems loved by everyone
I guess the Sag being ostentatious will feel right at home snuggled up to the Diablo SV( both cars are drama queens and a handful best of times lol)
Exciting times ahead :-)
gacksen said:
when it comes down to classics you must take into account matching number engines etc.....
e.g. most of the rebuilt ones dont have that so this would be a minus. also of course in terms
of classic collectors any upgrades like 3.9 / 4.1 / 4.3 / 4.5 LS etc. when looking for a classic
car myself i am more than happy to accept upgrades instead of sorting stuff out by myself.
when my T350 is finished it is in better than new condition with anything new except the engine
and some minor parts. better as the factory ever could have done it. if i would sell it
i would only do it to have some space for new projects and price is min 50K to cover the investments.
what i can honestly say there is no other T350 or sagaris in this condition.
Interested to see what your doing on your T350 to make it the best one out there e.g. most of the rebuilt ones dont have that so this would be a minus. also of course in terms
of classic collectors any upgrades like 3.9 / 4.1 / 4.3 / 4.5 LS etc. when looking for a classic
car myself i am more than happy to accept upgrades instead of sorting stuff out by myself.
when my T350 is finished it is in better than new condition with anything new except the engine
and some minor parts. better as the factory ever could have done it. if i would sell it
i would only do it to have some space for new projects and price is min 50K to cover the investments.
what i can honestly say there is no other T350 or sagaris in this condition.
Sounds like an interesting project Hi guys these are my thoughts of the Sagaris
I drove back a good 350 miles from Aberdeen to Manchester and my opinions remain divided
Its always strange when driving a car you're not used to and especially in an environment that is alien to you
As i left Aberdeen i called at a petrol station to fill up and straight away i realised the Sag has no turning circle much worse than i anticipated
So the 350 mile journey begun, i was nervous at first thinking will the Sag make the 350 mile journey as they do have a tendency to breakdown. As i got out of the city and got on to the A90 my confidence grew as i put my faith in the Sag and went for it.Wow i didnt realise how sensitive the steering was,initially i thought it was the road and then my thoughts turned to the Sag and maybe there was an issue with the geometry set up yet a quick call to a friend confirmed the steering is very sensitive,so bearing that in mind i played a little to see exactly how sensitive it was,took about 5 minutes getting used to it and then relaxed once more as the confidence kicked in again.Took over an hour getting on the motorway,once on i was disappointed the Sag is not the quickest of cars,got to a certain speed and thought the Sag was going to fall apart,got to love the build quality lol.
What i found unbelievable was how comfortable the journey was.It is very very comfortable touring car,the only thing that put a dampener on that was the noise of the exhaust,wow its deafening especially for long journeys yet perfect for short ones.
Just so im not being harsh on the Sag i stopped off at Preston and met up with the 'green bandit' now he can drive!
His face lit up when i pulled into Tickled Trout,he said i heard you before i saw you!!
He said wow what a looker,what a colour and was impressed,i handed him over the keys,15 mins later he reappears with a big grin.We both agreed its not the quickest car in the stable yet i didnt buy it for that :-)
So all in all its okay,not the quickest,very sensitive,very noisy keeps you focused no margin for error,but for me and its a very big BUT its the looks that appeal to me next the colour and the sound after that all the rest is academic,think i can just about live with that :-)
I drove back a good 350 miles from Aberdeen to Manchester and my opinions remain divided
Its always strange when driving a car you're not used to and especially in an environment that is alien to you
As i left Aberdeen i called at a petrol station to fill up and straight away i realised the Sag has no turning circle much worse than i anticipated
So the 350 mile journey begun, i was nervous at first thinking will the Sag make the 350 mile journey as they do have a tendency to breakdown. As i got out of the city and got on to the A90 my confidence grew as i put my faith in the Sag and went for it.Wow i didnt realise how sensitive the steering was,initially i thought it was the road and then my thoughts turned to the Sag and maybe there was an issue with the geometry set up yet a quick call to a friend confirmed the steering is very sensitive,so bearing that in mind i played a little to see exactly how sensitive it was,took about 5 minutes getting used to it and then relaxed once more as the confidence kicked in again.Took over an hour getting on the motorway,once on i was disappointed the Sag is not the quickest of cars,got to a certain speed and thought the Sag was going to fall apart,got to love the build quality lol.
What i found unbelievable was how comfortable the journey was.It is very very comfortable touring car,the only thing that put a dampener on that was the noise of the exhaust,wow its deafening especially for long journeys yet perfect for short ones.
Just so im not being harsh on the Sag i stopped off at Preston and met up with the 'green bandit' now he can drive!
His face lit up when i pulled into Tickled Trout,he said i heard you before i saw you!!
He said wow what a looker,what a colour and was impressed,i handed him over the keys,15 mins later he reappears with a big grin.We both agreed its not the quickest car in the stable yet i didnt buy it for that :-)
So all in all its okay,not the quickest,very sensitive,very noisy keeps you focused no margin for error,but for me and its a very big BUT its the looks that appeal to me next the colour and the sound after that all the rest is academic,think i can just about live with that :-)
I'm a T350 owner rather than Sag but the cars are very similar and I have to agree with a lot of your points.
Speed - try a 4.3 or 4.5 if you can as they really are noticeably quicker and more importantly have more down range torque, also remember the throttle has a very long travel so it is very linear in it's pull.
The steering is very light and sensitive and can result in some twitchy moments especially hard braking on uneven surfaces
They are noisy (I like that) and feel flimsy compared to competition but the best part of TVR ownership for me is the theatre of it. Most of the competition would run rings around the 350 or Sag when it gets twisty but the TVR puts a smile on your face even when pootling through town and I have to be honest it's whats stopped me selling mine a couple of times now. It took me a good few months to bond with mine but I really do love it now, give it time and I'm sure you will with yours.
Speed - try a 4.3 or 4.5 if you can as they really are noticeably quicker and more importantly have more down range torque, also remember the throttle has a very long travel so it is very linear in it's pull.
The steering is very light and sensitive and can result in some twitchy moments especially hard braking on uneven surfaces
They are noisy (I like that) and feel flimsy compared to competition but the best part of TVR ownership for me is the theatre of it. Most of the competition would run rings around the 350 or Sag when it gets twisty but the TVR puts a smile on your face even when pootling through town and I have to be honest it's whats stopped me selling mine a couple of times now. It took me a good few months to bond with mine but I really do love it now, give it time and I'm sure you will with yours.
Just out of interest what cars have you come from? The speed six engine needs to be driven differently than your typical turbo lumps. The way to eak the best speed out of the speed six in my opinion is to do the following:
- Press on the accelerator gradually (don't dump the pedal in one go) and wind the engine up. Takes some practice to find the perfect application of the throttle. If you do just dump the throttle I feel the engine gets bogged down a bit, it is an old fashioned cable and individual carburetors so smoother throttle action is the best bet.
- There is a huge amount of travel in the throttle pedal itself, be sure to get your seating position right so you are able to get the complete travel of the pedal. I am a short ass compared to some and do find to get full pedal travel I have to push a little further than feels natural!
- Once the engine is warm obviously, remember these engines are naturally aspirated and really need to be reved, most of the power is provided between 5k-7.3k. On my car especially going from 2nd to 3rd extending to higher revs also lands you at a better sweet spot when you go into 3rd. Cant remember what the ad said but has yours got a CR gearbox and what diff is it running?
On a more general note I find the best way to make quick progress is to try and drive as smoothly as possible in all respects
Obviously this applies to all cars but the TVR in particular!
- Press on the accelerator gradually (don't dump the pedal in one go) and wind the engine up. Takes some practice to find the perfect application of the throttle. If you do just dump the throttle I feel the engine gets bogged down a bit, it is an old fashioned cable and individual carburetors so smoother throttle action is the best bet.
- There is a huge amount of travel in the throttle pedal itself, be sure to get your seating position right so you are able to get the complete travel of the pedal. I am a short ass compared to some and do find to get full pedal travel I have to push a little further than feels natural!
- Once the engine is warm obviously, remember these engines are naturally aspirated and really need to be reved, most of the power is provided between 5k-7.3k. On my car especially going from 2nd to 3rd extending to higher revs also lands you at a better sweet spot when you go into 3rd. Cant remember what the ad said but has yours got a CR gearbox and what diff is it running?
On a more general note I find the best way to make quick progress is to try and drive as smoothly as possible in all respects
Obviously this applies to all cars but the TVR in particular!Zippee said:
I'm a T350 owner rather than Sag but the cars are very similar and I have to agree with a lot of your points.
Speed - try a 4.3 or 4.5 if you can as they really are noticeably quicker and more importantly have more down range torque, also remember the throttle has a very long travel so it is very linear in it's pull.
The steering is very light and sensitive and can result in some twitchy moments especially hard braking on uneven surfaces
They are noisy (I like that) and feel flimsy compared to competition but the best part of TVR ownership for me is the theatre of it. Most of the competition would run rings around the 350 or Sag when it gets twisty but the TVR puts a smile on your face even when pootling through town and I have to be honest it's whats stopped me selling mine a couple of times now. It took me a good few months to bond with mine but I really do love it now, give it time and I'm sure you will with yours.
Rocco is no muppet when it comes to cars, as he has pointed out he has a 430 Scuderia in pearl white, a Diablo VT and a 964 3.3 turbo so I think that qualifies him for knowing what is quick and what's not. I too have had many cars and it's always been about performance for me, yes the car must look good but it's the numbers that float my boat and I have probably one of the fastest (road) cars built currently on the market.Speed - try a 4.3 or 4.5 if you can as they really are noticeably quicker and more importantly have more down range torque, also remember the throttle has a very long travel so it is very linear in it's pull.
The steering is very light and sensitive and can result in some twitchy moments especially hard braking on uneven surfaces
They are noisy (I like that) and feel flimsy compared to competition but the best part of TVR ownership for me is the theatre of it. Most of the competition would run rings around the 350 or Sag when it gets twisty but the TVR puts a smile on your face even when pootling through town and I have to be honest it's whats stopped me selling mine a couple of times now. It took me a good few months to bond with mine but I really do love it now, give it time and I'm sure you will with yours.
I test drove the Sagaris yesterday and is does put a big smile on your face, especially Rocco's as its got the best of everything, 4.3 engine, CR box and a 3.9 diff. If we are discussing performance then the Sag doesn't get a look at anything else in his stable, but I did say to Rocco that to see how the car stands up against any of the other cars he owns we would have to try them side by side because feel alone cannot tell you how quick a car is, I said he would be pleasantly surprised with the outcome. The sound the car makes is fantastic as it has no Cats and a very loud exhaust system, so it gets 10 out of 10 for sound, it also gets 10 out 10 for the looks.
It wasn't bought for the performance which is a very good thing as he would be very dissatisfied if that was his reason for buying in the first place. I'm not 100% convinced the car will do 0-60mph in the time that TVR quoted which was 3.9 secs and a 4.3 would probably do 0-60mph in 3.7 based on the extra 300cc and other modifications the car has had done to it. Ferrari claim the Scud will do 0-60mph in 3.7 secs, I don't know how true that is but it feels a lot quicker than the TVR Sagaris, I guess the only way to find out is to test them both.
I just want to finish with this, it's not all about performance when buying a car and I'm sure most TVR owners didn't buy one for that reason but if you think you have a quick car then I urge you to get behind the wheel of some other cars like a, Ferrai, Lamborghini, Porsche and a Mclaren because you simply don't know what quick is?
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