Sagaris buying advice required
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greenbandit641 said:
Zippee said:
I'm a T350 owner rather than Sag but the cars are very similar and I have to agree with a lot of your points.
Speed - try a 4.3 or 4.5 if you can as they really are noticeably quicker and more importantly have more down range torque, also remember the throttle has a very long travel so it is very linear in it's pull.
The steering is very light and sensitive and can result in some twitchy moments especially hard braking on uneven surfaces
They are noisy (I like that) and feel flimsy compared to competition but the best part of TVR ownership for me is the theatre of it. Most of the competition would run rings around the 350 or Sag when it gets twisty but the TVR puts a smile on your face even when pootling through town and I have to be honest it's whats stopped me selling mine a couple of times now. It took me a good few months to bond with mine but I really do love it now, give it time and I'm sure you will with yours.
Rocco is no muppet when it comes to cars, as he has pointed out he has a 430 Scuderia in pearl white, a Diablo VT and a 964 3.3 turbo so I think that qualifies him for knowing what is quick and what's not. I too have had many cars and it's always been about performance for me, yes the car must look good but it's the numbers that float my boat and I have probably one of the fastest (road) cars built currently on the market.Speed - try a 4.3 or 4.5 if you can as they really are noticeably quicker and more importantly have more down range torque, also remember the throttle has a very long travel so it is very linear in it's pull.
The steering is very light and sensitive and can result in some twitchy moments especially hard braking on uneven surfaces
They are noisy (I like that) and feel flimsy compared to competition but the best part of TVR ownership for me is the theatre of it. Most of the competition would run rings around the 350 or Sag when it gets twisty but the TVR puts a smile on your face even when pootling through town and I have to be honest it's whats stopped me selling mine a couple of times now. It took me a good few months to bond with mine but I really do love it now, give it time and I'm sure you will with yours.
I test drove the Sagaris yesterday and is does put a big smile on your face, especially Rocco's as its got the best of everything, 4.3 engine, CR box and a 3.9 diff. If we are discussing performance then the Sag doesn't get a look at anything else in his stable, but I did say to Rocco that to see how the car stands up against any of the other cars he owns we would have to try them side by side because feel alone cannot tell you how quick a car is, I said he would be pleasantly surprised with the outcome. The sound the car makes is fantastic as it has no Cats and a very loud exhaust system, so it gets 10 out of 10 for sound, it also gets 10 out 10 for the looks.
It wasn't bought for the performance which is a very good thing as he would be very dissatisfied if that was his reason for buying in the first place. I'm not 100% convinced the car will do 0-60mph in the time that TVR quoted which was 3.9 secs and a 4.3 would probably do 0-60mph in 3.7 based on the extra 300cc and other modifications the car has had done to it. Ferrari claim the Scud will do 0-60mph in 3.7 secs, I don't know how true that is but it feels a lot quicker than the TVR Sagaris, I guess the only way to find out is to test them both.
I just want to finish with this, it's not all about performance when buying a car and I'm sure most TVR owners didn't buy one for that reason but if you think you have a quick car then I urge you to get behind the wheel of some other cars like a, Ferrai, Lamborghini, Porsche and a Mclaren because you simply don't know what quick is?
I didn't in any way imply that the OP was a muppet, far from it - I was agreeing with many of the points he made, my comment about the 4.3 still stands in comparison with a standard 4.0 (I didn't know the car he'd bought was a 4.3) and until his post and my subsequent nose at his garage I had no idea of his car history. It is in no doubt that a Scud or 997T would blow most TVRs into the weeds. That was never my point, I agreed with him on the steering and then went on to state about the theatre of the cars, something many cars fail to match whatever the price (note - not all) and one of the main reasons I'm still a TVR owner now
Rocco1 said:
And now i am a proud owner of a Sag,350 miles journey back home what a way to create a bond with your new love :-)
Hollowpockets dotted on that Sag, and it is a well known TVR in the NE of Scotland form a man who is a thorough Petrol Sniffer!You Sir, have yourself a topper of a TVR.
The exhaust is an easy enough fix.
Enjoy TVR-ing. It'll be a far more reliable car than you may think right now.
The interesting thing is that you are comparing the Sagaris to cars that aren't really in the same bracket (definitely not price wise at least)
As good as the Sagaris looks, it is still just a high end sports car. It's not in the class with the rest of Rocco's garage and the money represents this.
Yet, despite this, it is still being compared to the likes of Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche. Personally I would find it very flattering, but not comparable.
If I may make a humble suggestion in your approach to driving the Sagaris. Treat it like a Honda with Vtec.
It has already been mentioned that the power is mostly above 5,000 revs and bearing this in mind makes a huge difference to what you can get out of the Sag.
Also, put your faith in the car and it's ability. It can take a lot more punishment than you think it should, both in reliability and performance. (mine made it on a round trip to Monaco and up the Stelvio with no faults or failures)
Last thing I will say is that even though it is just a sports car, no-one will pick it out of a line up or suggest that it doesn't belong in any supercar gathering.
Enjoy, and I hope you get the chance make your way up to Aberdeen again. Some of the best roads in the UK are just outside it.
As good as the Sagaris looks, it is still just a high end sports car. It's not in the class with the rest of Rocco's garage and the money represents this.
Yet, despite this, it is still being compared to the likes of Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche. Personally I would find it very flattering, but not comparable.
If I may make a humble suggestion in your approach to driving the Sagaris. Treat it like a Honda with Vtec.
It has already been mentioned that the power is mostly above 5,000 revs and bearing this in mind makes a huge difference to what you can get out of the Sag.
Also, put your faith in the car and it's ability. It can take a lot more punishment than you think it should, both in reliability and performance. (mine made it on a round trip to Monaco and up the Stelvio with no faults or failures)
Last thing I will say is that even though it is just a sports car, no-one will pick it out of a line up or suggest that it doesn't belong in any supercar gathering.
Enjoy, and I hope you get the chance make your way up to Aberdeen again. Some of the best roads in the UK are just outside it.
Quote "but if you think you have a quick car then I urge you to get behind the wheel of some other cars like a, Ferrai, Lamborghini, Porsche and a Mclaren because you simply don't know what quick is?"
What's a Ferrai?????????????????? Patronising W***er
Have you every thought it might be your driving skills
What's a Ferrai?????????????????? Patronising W***er
Have you every thought it might be your driving skills
Also be aware that the TVR figures came from a very healthy engine, close ratio box and a 3.9 diff.
Welcome to the mad house!
Top tips - keep leather gardening gloves in the boot for the oil check. I keep zip ties and duct tape in the glovebox (I'll spare you how my wife describes that!), along with a spare 100/125A fuse. I also used to carry a Torx screwdriver in there as well, as the bonnet has a nasty habit of trying to escape. I think that's it....
Welcome to the mad house!
Top tips - keep leather gardening gloves in the boot for the oil check. I keep zip ties and duct tape in the glovebox (I'll spare you how my wife describes that!), along with a spare 100/125A fuse. I also used to carry a Torx screwdriver in there as well, as the bonnet has a nasty habit of trying to escape. I think that's it....
TOV!E said:
Quote "but if you think you have a quick car then I urge you to get behind the wheel of some other cars like a, Ferrai, Lamborghini, Porsche and a Mclaren because you simply don't know what quick is?"
What's a Ferrai?????????????????? Patronising W***er
Have you every thought it might be your driving skills
Right on, Brother TOV!E.What's a Ferrai?????????????????? Patronising W***er
Have you every thought it might be your driving skills
speaking in terms of fast ist relative. speaking in terms of driving skills
TVR will require more than the others cars. there is no this and that that helps
if something goes wrong so more attention is needed. id say if you can go fast
in a TVR at it´s limit the mentioned other ones should be a no brainer.
the other way round i am not so sure. if you need more horses i guess with
enough money spent you can hit the short below 500 mark. if this doesnt tick
any box in terms of fast i wouldnt know the box that a 997T ticks at all.........
TVR will require more than the others cars. there is no this and that that helps
if something goes wrong so more attention is needed. id say if you can go fast
in a TVR at it´s limit the mentioned other ones should be a no brainer.
the other way round i am not so sure. if you need more horses i guess with
enough money spent you can hit the short below 500 mark. if this doesnt tick
any box in terms of fast i wouldnt know the box that a 997T ticks at all.........
A Sagaris more than holds its own in a Supercar Display. I know too well as in SCD and car looks pretty good to me 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5J3wfwUqUY&sns...
In terms of other cars mentioned, they are not the same, as there are literally hundreds of thousands of Porsches....Ferraris are a little different for me as are Lambos etc however they are viewed completely differently to a TVR, because it's British and was an attainable sports car for many.
There are less than 200 Sagaris and as with every TVR they have character and they invoke a feeling inside that stirs in every red blooded Englishman like no other car. For those looking on, its a nod of respect and wonderment rather than...he's a flash git. Although a Sag is lairy, there's a respect that goes with it, as there is with any TVR, of daring to be different, of sticking with her through thick and thin, of having the balls to drive her.
For me a Porsche.... great car, the engineering is superb, but they are everywhere...its just not different enough and I want something people stop as they hear it coming or look at and either go what the hell is that or nod knowingly and point to their son and say, it's a TVR.
Hopefully you have plans to drive yours and it doesn't become another garage queen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5J3wfwUqUY&sns...
In terms of other cars mentioned, they are not the same, as there are literally hundreds of thousands of Porsches....Ferraris are a little different for me as are Lambos etc however they are viewed completely differently to a TVR, because it's British and was an attainable sports car for many.
There are less than 200 Sagaris and as with every TVR they have character and they invoke a feeling inside that stirs in every red blooded Englishman like no other car. For those looking on, its a nod of respect and wonderment rather than...he's a flash git. Although a Sag is lairy, there's a respect that goes with it, as there is with any TVR, of daring to be different, of sticking with her through thick and thin, of having the balls to drive her.
For me a Porsche.... great car, the engineering is superb, but they are everywhere...its just not different enough and I want something people stop as they hear it coming or look at and either go what the hell is that or nod knowingly and point to their son and say, it's a TVR.
Hopefully you have plans to drive yours and it doesn't become another garage queen
Edited by ShiDevil on Friday 16th October 18:00
Try one with a standard gearbox, I found the CR box made 1st and 2nd gear far to long, standard box 3.7 diff is what I'm going for having tried them all, they don't come alive till over 5k so you have to keep them on the boil, drop under 5k and they can feel slow,
Handling wise they are awesome, very light steering and they really are a pussy cat to drive in the dry, wet or bumpy roads can be scary but on a nice dry road it would have no trouble keeping up with my 991 GT3 in the bends but it would get blown away on straights, another 100 bhp/lbft would be nice I agree,
Vid of your Sag going round Monza on you tube I think, also some top advice from Don1 above, enjoy
Handling wise they are awesome, very light steering and they really are a pussy cat to drive in the dry, wet or bumpy roads can be scary but on a nice dry road it would have no trouble keeping up with my 991 GT3 in the bends but it would get blown away on straights, another 100 bhp/lbft would be nice I agree,
Vid of your Sag going round Monza on you tube I think, also some top advice from Don1 above, enjoy
TOV!E said:
Quote "but if you think you have a quick car then I urge you to get behind the wheel of some other cars like a, Ferrai, Lamborghini, Porsche and a Mclaren because you simply don't know what quick is?"
What's a Ferrai?????????????????? Patronising W***er
Have you every thought it might be your driving skills
I didn't realise I was coming across as a patronising W***er and that was never intended. If you take the time to read my post you will find that I actually said to the owner of the Sag that he may be pleasantly surprised how quick the car is against the other cars mentioned, I don't think it is fair to compare the Sag against the other cars so where did you think up the idea that I was patronising. As for my driving skills, I don't think there is a problem with them either, but I could be wrong, perhaps you could show me how to drive too?What's a Ferrai?????????????????? Patronising W***er
Have you every thought it might be your driving skills
Evening all
Firstly and foremost i need to clear one thing up Green Bandit is not a patronising w****r (TOV!E & 8nil) if it wasn't for him i would not have bought Sag,
Sagman my friend is No Numpty!
personally i dont think green bandit will lose sleep if hes not welcome on the TVR forum NOT his cup of tea
As for green bandits driving skills well he certainly knows how to handle a car,hence i stopped at Preston to get a second opinion.
I have owned many n/a cars inc 2 Honda NSX na1 & na2 and several 964 Carrera 2's,so i am familiar with how a n/a high revving engine works
As i said the Sag was never about speed,handling or noise it was about the looks
It will never be a patch on my Diablo SV or the Scud or the 64,what it well be that the others never will be is my driving car of choice,its got the looks and its very very very comfy,just the sort of thing a European tour would require
As for being a garage queen NOT a chance!!
Just for the record i love the Sag and always have,just never had the bottle to buy a plastic car that had a reputation of being unreliable
Yes i will be at Phantom Winger :-)
thank you all for your contribution made life a lot easier
Firstly and foremost i need to clear one thing up Green Bandit is not a patronising w****r (TOV!E & 8nil) if it wasn't for him i would not have bought Sag,
Sagman my friend is No Numpty!
personally i dont think green bandit will lose sleep if hes not welcome on the TVR forum NOT his cup of tea
As for green bandits driving skills well he certainly knows how to handle a car,hence i stopped at Preston to get a second opinion.
I have owned many n/a cars inc 2 Honda NSX na1 & na2 and several 964 Carrera 2's,so i am familiar with how a n/a high revving engine works
As i said the Sag was never about speed,handling or noise it was about the looks
It will never be a patch on my Diablo SV or the Scud or the 64,what it well be that the others never will be is my driving car of choice,its got the looks and its very very very comfy,just the sort of thing a European tour would require
As for being a garage queen NOT a chance!!
Just for the record i love the Sag and always have,just never had the bottle to buy a plastic car that had a reputation of being unreliable
Yes i will be at Phantom Winger :-)
thank you all for your contribution made life a lot easier
mr sagman said:
Enjoy your car.. you are welcomre on this forum.. your numpty mate with his attitude maybe not so welcome.
Again, I'm not sure where you have got the idea of me having an attitude, I will point it out again just in case you didn't read the original post. I said my mate who has bought the Sag maybe pleasantly surprised how fast the Sag is, this translates into the Sag will be quicker than he thinks as the power is progressive.I also agree that it is unfair to compare the Sag with the cars I mentioned, it is totally unfair to compare a Sag that cost 50/60k with his other cars that cost considerably more when new, I was merely mentioning those cars because that is what Rocco owns, but people read/misread what I have written. It was I that played a big part in helping Rocco to buy Sag, he asked me what I thought would be a good car to add to his collection, he did say it was a car that he had considered for the last 2/3 years, all I did will give an honest opinion on my thoughts, those thoughts were buy one.
I thinks it's unfair for someone to claim that I have an attitude or call me a patronising W***er for giving an honest opinion which I was asked to do by the owner, but I won't lose any sleep that's for sure. Oh, and to say I'm not welcome the the TVR forum, why would I want to be part of it when I don't own one, but I will leave you with this, grow up you p***k.
greenbandit641 said:
Again, I'm not sure where you have got the idea of me having an attitude, I will point it out again just in case you didn't read the original post. I said my mate who has bought the Sag maybe pleasantly surprised how fast the Sag is, this translates into the Sag will be quicker than he thinks as the power is progressive.
I also agree that it is unfair to compare the Sag with the cars I mentioned, it is totally unfair to compare a Sag that cost 50/60k with his other cars that cost considerably more when new, I was merely mentioning those cars because that is what Rocco owns, but people read/misread what I have written. It was I that played a big part in helping Rocco to buy Sag, he asked me what I thought would be a good car to add to his collection, he did say it was a car that he had considered for the last 2/3 years, all I did will give an honest opinion on my thoughts, those thoughts were buy one.
I thinks it's unfair for someone to claim that I have an attitude or call me a patronising W***er for giving an honest opinion which I was asked to do by the owner, but I won't lose any sleep that's for sure. Oh, and to say I'm not welcome the the TVR forum, why would I want to be part of it when I don't own one, but I will leave you with this, grow up you p***k.
Ha ha we were right about you all along.. Jog on asshole.I also agree that it is unfair to compare the Sag with the cars I mentioned, it is totally unfair to compare a Sag that cost 50/60k with his other cars that cost considerably more when new, I was merely mentioning those cars because that is what Rocco owns, but people read/misread what I have written. It was I that played a big part in helping Rocco to buy Sag, he asked me what I thought would be a good car to add to his collection, he did say it was a car that he had considered for the last 2/3 years, all I did will give an honest opinion on my thoughts, those thoughts were buy one.
I thinks it's unfair for someone to claim that I have an attitude or call me a patronising W***er for giving an honest opinion which I was asked to do by the owner, but I won't lose any sleep that's for sure. Oh, and to say I'm not welcome the the TVR forum, why would I want to be part of it when I don't own one, but I will leave you with this, grow up you p***k.
Came on here to ask for some advice and got a huge response THANK YOU
What has perturbed me is the lack of understanding and those who misconstrue an opinion,which begs the question why not read what has been said and then take a moment to reflect before responding on impulse
I hope i haven't upset the TVR community with my findings,would like to remain in touch,some great people on here :-)
What has perturbed me is the lack of understanding and those who misconstrue an opinion,which begs the question why not read what has been said and then take a moment to reflect before responding on impulse
I hope i haven't upset the TVR community with my findings,would like to remain in touch,some great people on here :-)
Everyone seems a little sensitive at the moment, PMT?
Peoples have different opinions and people should respect that. It's always difficult to get a point across when you're not speaking face to face and misunderstandings happen. Personally from that list of cars I cannot bear Lambo's and Porkers and wouldn't touch one if I had all the tea in China, but I can appreciate why people would....
However "grow up pr*ck" now that's not exactly a mature thing to say now is it
Come on girls play nicely and Rocco enjoy the car I am mildly jealous......
Peoples have different opinions and people should respect that. It's always difficult to get a point across when you're not speaking face to face and misunderstandings happen. Personally from that list of cars I cannot bear Lambo's and Porkers and wouldn't touch one if I had all the tea in China, but I can appreciate why people would....
However "grow up pr*ck" now that's not exactly a mature thing to say now is it
Come on girls play nicely and Rocco enjoy the car I am mildly jealous......
Back when I had a standard (healthy) engine, I thought that the Sag was as fast as a Supercar. I then went on a trackday, and saw how quick 997 GT3RS really were - as standard the Sag is a sports car, nothing more. (I was gutted).
After the engine work, tyre change and driver teaching, last time I was on track I was going round the outside of F430's. I would say it's supercar quick now.
Rocco, enjoy the Sagaris.
After the engine work, tyre change and driver teaching, last time I was on track I was going round the outside of F430's. I would say it's supercar quick now.
Rocco, enjoy the Sagaris.
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