BMW V10 into T car?

[borat52]

Still considering engine options for a project, ranging from rebuilding the speed six as a 3.6/7 to an LS conversion.

Then I stumbled across the idea of a V10 from an E60 M5. OK its a BMW but it's NA, 8000 rpm red line, manual and 500bhp.

Would it physically fit in a T car?

[m4tti]

Making it fit is one problem. You then have the issue of making it run with all of its original systems in place outside of a "BMW"

Even standalone, it has very specific elements such as its knock detection system which eliminates knock sensors through the use of "ionic current measurement ".

Obviously you could probably make it run in a very basic form, but it was never intended for the crate market like the ford or Chevy v8's

[ephemera]

Maybe some inspiration on engines here (love the first video where the V10 wiring loom is laid out on a table):
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=782...

[borat52]

I *think* the standalone issue is solved with this now:

http://twinkam.co.uk/epages/191f6b26-60bf-483c-b02...


What I'm not so sure of is if you can hook up a manual gearbox to a SMG engine?

I read somewhere that the USA M5 manual had a 640/645 manual box.

Will the V10 physically fit in a T car?

[Andy_mr2sc]

I can't see why this couldn't be run on a stand alone ecu. After all I've seen the audi v8,v10 etc run on KMS or similar.
This is possibly the best suggestion for a tvr engine conversion yet. Plenty of power, bmw reliability and that amazing v10 howl. I'm sure it could be shoe horned in. There is plenty of room in front of a tuscan engine if the fluid tanks are moved.
Would you do this yourself or get a garage (Topcats?) to fit it?

[m4tti]

borat52 said:

I *think* the standalone issue is solved with this now:

http://twinkam.co.uk/epages/191f6b26-60bf-483c-b02...


What I'm not so sure of is if you can hook up a manual gearbox to a SMG engine?

I read somewhere that the USA M5 manual had a 640/645 manual box.

Will the V10 physically fit in a T car?

Actually I've seen the Twinkam setup before when I've discussed this with Andy_mr2. I think it's used a fair bit in z4 transplants. Not sure how hard it will be to integrate with the Tuscan instrument cluster. I guess the z4 is fairly straight forward in that respect.

[borat52]

My guess is that given they made the ECU they should be able to advise on the outputs, and as long as you have an open spec for them then anything is possible - in theory it turns into a similar issue that you have with an LS conversion.

I'd do as much as possible myself but my level of engineering and fabrication skills would not satisfy me fully so likely would be in a friends barn then draft someone in to assist with the engine mounts etc.

The electrics don't worry me as much as the fitment and the gearbox issues. I'll do some investigating on the BMW forums, someones bound to have tried to convert an SMG to manual somewhere.

[borat52]

Incidentally, not that it should make much difference but it will go into a Tamora, which hopefully will then be a turned into a Sagaris.

[m4tti]

borat52 said:

Incidentally, not that it should make much difference but it will go into a Tamora, which hopefully will then be a turned into a Sagaris.

The chassis are the same... apart from the sagaris

[borat52]

Ideally I'm going to be putting a new Sagaris chassis under it all. All depends on the donor car really.

[anonymous-user]

borat52 said:

Ideally I'm going to be putting a new Sagaris chassis under it all. All depends on the donor car really.

This sort of lunacy is to be applauded.

Bravo.

[Poopdog]

The BMW engine is double the weight of an AJP,

[Google [bot]]

You may find some good tips here:

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

[mk1fan]

borat52 said:

Ideally I'm going to be putting a new Sagaris chassis under it all. All depends on the donor car really.

Why not go for the Sportmotive 'Evolution' chassis?

[Jhonno]

If you can get one to run in an E30, I am sure it will run in a TVR..