How many Tams where built ?

[T66ORA]

Omerta said:

These are build numbers, not registrations:

[JonRB]

That was a surprise. There were more Sagaris built than I had been led to believe.

Still very exclusive though.

[W111AAM]

David Gerard sold 2 Tamora recently. Both were unregistered and I'm sure he said they were 2 of the last built!!!!

[Nafem]

Those numbers are higher than I thought, especially for Sagaris and T350.

[ALT]

30 Tamoras built in 2001.

I've got the first customer Tamora (one of two that left the factory on the same day) that was delivered on January 24th 2002. So that means the 30 includes all dealer demos, press cars and prototypes.

Does that should about right? How many dealers were there in late 2001?

[sidpinup]

There is a brand new Tamora on sale on eBay!!! 0 miles, condition new, registered Jan 2008! It must be one of the last built.

[Dr John]

I'm assuming these are build start dates.
My t350 was registered 9th Jan 2006 so I assume it is one of the last built in 2005.

John

[V8 GRF]

T66ORA said:

Omerta said:

These are build numbers, not registrations:

Those figures are way too accurate.

TVR themselves didn't know the EXACT figures for anything.

I was told by David Oxley in my recent conversations that only 2 Sagaris IIs were built (1 LHD and 1 RHD)

Also the exact numbers for Griffiths Chimaeras and Cerberas are unknown to exact numbers.

Griffiths for example, there's a range of numbers but according to Roger Shackletons book 'The TVR Griffith Story' there are two figures suggested with Neil Anderson in his foreword saying that his figures amount to 2,334.

Elsewhere Mike Penny says that when Classic cars ran a buying guide story in 2003 the figures they obtained were as follows.
4.x = 625
500s = 1640

Making a total of 2,265

Steve Heath in the 2nd edition of the 'bible' comes up with a figure of 2,445. This number has been estimated as production figures for Griffith Chimaera and Cerbera chassis were all combined with one another. The breakdown for that figure is given as 4.0ltr = 679, 4.3BV = 25, 4.5BV = 12, 5.0ltr = 1,629, 5.0SE = 100.

I think all figures are somewhere round or about but not exact.

[LastCerbera]

I disagree with the figures too.

I was reliably informed by quite a few people that there were 1996 Cerbera's. On the chart it doesn't show BossCerbera in 2005, and it doesn't show mine in 2006.

I also think that the figure for Sag's is a bit high and was there definitely only one built in 2004? I'm not sure but all the pre-launch dealer demo's were 54 plate's, surely some of these would have been late 2004 builds?

Good effort though

[TVR_owner]

Complete twaddle. Maybe it was the figures TVR wanted to build.

[Omerta]

I guess I'm not surprised at the sceptical response from some, this is PH after all.

These numbers came from Ben Lang via J Oxley, provided to Land Transport New Zealand (our DVLA) in support of an individual's application to import and register a Sagaris. The manufacturer's production numbers are significant because in order to be exempt from frontal impact testing it must be proven to be low volume, ie <200 units per year).

My understanding is that the position Ben held (or perhaps that should be 'holds'?) with TVR was/is a senior one, and he could be regarded as a reputable source for this information.

I don't know why the Boss wouldn't be here - maybe Phil's special was off the radar as an internal job, or not considered a 'Cerbera'. There's no Tuscan racers, Speed 12s, T400R, etc. here either.

Regarding 30 2001 Tamoras - when I was buying mine in 2004 there was handful of used 2001 Tams available, the only one I went to view wasn't ex-demo. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me that 30 were built and perhaps not all sold.

The 1,996 Cerberas figure came from a thread in the Cerb forum and IIRC it was an ex-TVR employee who gave it. Quite a big difference to these numbers, no idea why that is.

No disrespect to Steve or the other authors quoted above, but I don't know that they would have had better information from TVR at the time as production was probably considered quite commercially sensitive while they were still manufacturing. And there's the question of what you're counting - customer orders, production line, registrations...

[Omerta]

And regarding the cars dribbling onto the market as "new". Aren't these made up of bits left over from the factory?

[ALT]

Omerta said:

Regarding 30 2001 Tamoras - when I was buying mine in 2004 there was handful of used 2001 Tams available, the only one I went to view wasn't ex-demo. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me that 30 were built and perhaps not all sold.

Hi Don, I'm not disputing the figures at all. Just remembering back to my 18-month wait for my Tamora which eventually arrived as the first customer car on 24/01/02. Therefore the only ones that could have been built before this were dealer demos, press cars and prototypes.....

[Omerta]

ALT said:

Omerta said:

Regarding 30 2001 Tamoras - when I was buying mine in 2004 there was handful of used 2001 Tams available, the only one I went to view wasn't ex-demo. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me that 30 were built and perhaps not all sold.

Hi Don, I'm not disputing the figures at all. Just remembering back to my 18-month wait for my Tamora which eventually arrived as the first customer car on 24/01/02. Therefore the only ones that could have been built before this were dealer demos, press cars and prototypes.....

Hi Andrew, Hmmm, maybe the Tamoras I was looking at back then were xx51xxx registrations, not 2001 calendar year. I do miss my LR52KUG, best car I ever owned... I believe it was written off 6 months after I sold it and returned to NZ

[icraigmy]

Toobin said:

Lets start a count

I've got one!

1. Toobin

Edited by Toobin on Tuesday 5th August 23:21

2. Me .... and it's platinum silver to

Mine is one of the 176 built in 2002. It was registered August 2002. On the back of the heater Amplifier on masking tape is written 04/04/02, so I assume mine was built between April&August 2002 time.

How many Tams are 4.0L speed 6's ?

1. icraigmy

[icraigmy]

T66ORA said:

Omerta said:

These are build numbers, not registrations:

For the Tamora what year did the new front fog light arrangement come into being?, because I tend to see more Tamora's with the new front fog light arrangement than old, and there were 176 Tamora's built in 2002 with I presume has the original front fog light arrangement.

[Oat$y]

icraigmy said:

T66ORA said:

Omerta said:

These are build numbers, not registrations:

For the Tamora what year did the new front fog light arrangement come into being?, because I tend to see more Tamora's with the new front fog light arrangement than old, and there were 176 Tamora's built in 2002 with I presume has the original front fog light arrangement.

I was told it was a 2004 upgrade for the Tam along with a few other tweaks, but you could buy a 2004 model in 2003!!. Something to note, you will see earlier cars with the upgrade due to front end repairs. If your going to have a new front put on you may as well have the most upto date, so be wary of this when looking at early cars.

[julianc]

icraigmy said:

For the Tamora what year did the new front fog light arrangement come into being?, because I tend to see more Tamora's with the new front fog light arrangement than old, and there were 176 Tamora's built in 2002 with I presume has the original front fog light arrangement.

Ours started build around Feb 2003 and had the new light arrangement (spotlamp, not foglamp).

Julian

[sidpinup]

The new front end came in towards the end of 2002. My Tam was delivered 10th Jan 2003 and it has the new driving lights.

[VARLEYHYD]

W111AAM said:

David Gerard sold 2 Tamora recently. Both were unregistered and I'm sure he said they were 2 of the last built!!!!

Ithink these were built in May05, so last registered, not built

G