Some guidance and ideas please - T350T

[davidd]

They could just lay up less glass fibre. In the olden days a lightweight meant a thinner body, less fibreglass (or GRP or whatever you call it).

They use the same molds etc so nice and easy. The only downside is that it will flex more and craze.

D.

[griff2be]

Tivster said:

Apache said: I've been told (by a good source) not to bother with the 50bhp upgrade. And will hydratrak really be useful in daily use? I'd be more inclined to go for aero additions, sexy exhaust (a la nubbin) or suspension tweaks. Your choice you lucky lad The performance upgrade is (sigh) 1. Engine Upgrade - reworked ignition mapping, induction and tuning to about 380bhp 2. Uprated Exhaust - much larger bore, completely different sound. 3. Tuscan S brakes - larger diameter vented discs = better stopping by far. 4. Body shell - different (nuff said) All in all this provides a power to weight ratio greater than that of the Tuscan S. Even not completely run in this equates to a real world 0-60 in the very low 4's - GPS measured and verified . Throttle response is entirely different to the standard T350 with a sense of urgency I've never experienced before and the sound is much more throaty. The car feels stiffer as a result of the different body shell, but the ride is still superb. I get the feeling that given a decent length of off-public road track, this car will leave others for dead!! My 4.2 Cerbera would have had trouble keeping up with it for sure. As for the sequential box, I'm glad it wasn't available at the time I ordered. Unless you are a racer it's not ever going to improve on the Borg Warner box. All in all I'd go for the upgrade pack every time.. Tivster >> Edited by Tivster on Monday 20th October 11:07

Tivster

You sound very certain about what the differences are. Out of interest, what is your source of information?

[Tivster]

griff2be said:

Tivster said: Apache said: I've been told (by a good source) not to bother with the 50bhp upgrade. And will hydratrak really be useful in daily use? I'd be more inclined to go for aero additions, sexy exhaust (a la nubbin) or suspension tweaks. Your choice you lucky lad The performance upgrade is (sigh) 1. Engine Upgrade - reworked ignition mapping, induction and tuning to about 380bhp 2. Uprated Exhaust - much larger bore, completely different sound. 3. Tuscan S brakes - larger diameter vented discs = better stopping by far. 4. Body shell - different (nuff said) All in all this provides a power to weight ratio greater than that of the Tuscan S. Even not completely run in this equates to a real world 0-60 in the very low 4's - GPS measured and verified . Throttle response is entirely different to the standard T350 with a sense of urgency I've never experienced before and the sound is much more throaty. The car feels stiffer as a result of the different body shell, but the ride is still superb. I get the feeling that given a decent length of off-public road track, this car will leave others for dead!! My 4.2 Cerbera would have had trouble keeping up with it for sure. As for the sequential box, I'm glad it wasn't available at the time I ordered. Unless you are a racer it's not ever going to improve on the Borg Warner box. All in all I'd go for the upgrade pack every time.. Tivster >> Edited by Tivster on Monday 20th October 11:07 Tivster You sound very certain about what the differences are. Out of interest, what is your source of information?

I've got one...simple innit... and with it came the complete lowdown on what it is I bought, with an invitation to the pop up and speak to the team of guys at TVR responsible for it - in particular the Senior/Master craftsmen responsible for the body shell Great job they've done!!

Tivster


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>> Edited by Tivster on Tuesday 21st October 08:38

[Tivster]

christof said:

Tivster said: Yep the T350 with the performance pack without a shadow of doubt... I really appreciate that you like your beastie Tivster, BUT you have to drive both cars side by side. I have a T350 with the perf.pack and a Tuscan S with the 400bhp engine and, believe it or not, the T350 can't follow the S. I've also owned a Cerbera RR before and as I stated before, the S is the fastest of all.

Yes but Christof, the Tuscan is one ugly beast IMO of course...

>> Edited by Tivster on Tuesday 21st October 08:40

[Tivster]

Plotloss said:

I would have thought that the difference in weight comes solely from a lighter door, bonnet and hatchback arrangement as it does in the Cerb (minus hatchback of course), anything else would just be too complex surely. Also if that is the case then everything could be retrofitted...

Plotloss,
the body shell IS different and that is the most expensive part of the upgrade. I therefore don't see how as an existing T350 owner you could upgrade to the full pack.
For more information speak to your dealer....if they'll tell you i.e. if they know themselves that is...most don't!

e-mail me for more info and I'll point you in the right direction (won't be able to answer until this pm)

Tivster

[Tivster]

apex said:

... Tivster I don't mean to be picky just curious re the bodyshell diffs you allude to - from what I've understood from the posts its a weight saving (what are we talking about (10, 20, 30kg+) benefit. Thats fair enough, and whilst the body may exert less force on the chassis (another point I can relate to), isn't the case that the actual bodyshell is LESS rather than more rigid. I ask because I understand TVR Power are releasing upgrades to standard T350's (like mine) and if as you state there is a bodyshell difference if you order the pack on order we (fatties !!!) can't I assume get the real deal without considerable expense. This fact may also make a difference to those buying a used example (i.e retrofit Performance Pack v Factory Fitted Pack).

Apex, see my last post.

Tivster

[MikeE]

I'm sorry but I'm slightly confused by this thread

Tivster - I thought, from your previous hints, that you were getting a 'Wide Body' T350 in January?

However looking at your profile picture you appear to have the standard body style?

In this thread you keep referring to the light weight body of your car but don't give any details as to it's construction method. How exactly does it differ from the standard glass fibre bodywork? How much weight does it save? Sorry for all the questions.

Mike.

[Tivster]

MikeE said:

I'm sorry but I'm slightly confused by this thread Tivster - I thought, from your previous hints, that you were getting a 'Wide Body' T350 in January? However looking at your profile picture you appear to have the standard body style? In this thread you keep referring to the light weight body of your car but don't give any details as to it's construction method. How exactly does it differ from the standard glass fibre bodywork? How much weight does it save? Sorry for all the questions. Mike.

T350T with the factory fitted Performance Pack. The body shell is part of the factory fitted pack. TVR appear to release the details almost on a need to know basis only.

Sorry Mike I won't post them on here - but if you look around the forum I believe someone has already.

Tivster

[griff2be]

I must admit that I am starting to detect the faintest whiff of the brown stuff that eminates from the rear ends of male bovines.

Perhaps I should ask Ben or Peter next time I see them?

[Tivster]

griff2be said:

I must admit that I am starting to detect the faintest whiff of the brown stuff that eminates from the rear ends of male bovines. Perhaps I should ask Ben or Peter next time I see them?

Oh FFS.... I am totally hacked off with the doubting, cynical and repetive bullsh1t that is the T350 forum.
Someone asks a question, an answer is provided followed by the commencement of a Spanish Inquisition all because you haven't been able to find out some information that obviously you think you should be entitled to. Dropping names is a little old hat don't you think?

Griff2be go and buy one and see what you get. If you are suggesting that I am lying then retract that and apologize.

[jigs]

Ooooooohh! Hissy Fit anyone?

[griff2be]

Tivster said:

griff2be said: I must admit that I am starting to detect the faintest whiff of the brown stuff that eminates from the rear ends of male bovines. Perhaps I should ask Ben or Peter next time I see them? Oh FFS.... I am totally hacked off with the doubting, cynical and repetive bullsh1t that is the T350 forum. Someone asks a question, an answer is provided followed by the commencement of a Spanish Inquisition all because you haven't been able to find out some information that obviously you think you should be entitled to. Dropping names is a little old hat don't you think? Griff2be go and buy one and see what you get. If you are suggesting that I am lying then retract that and apologize.

Its an odd way to publicise extra cost options on cars don't you think? i.e. not telling anyone, especially dealers?

Wide bodied T350s and lightened bodied T350s require new moulds and or materials which would be costly to set up and further complicate the production process. The more you personalise a car the more it costs, and to move the personalisation all the way down the production line to the glassfibre shop doesn't make any (commercial) sense to me.

This isn't the same as the T350T argument by the way. If I recall correctly, TVR officially announced (and took orders for) the T350T, and then some people doubted it would make it to production.

I wasn't aware that TVR have announced an intention to make a wide bodied T350?

The TVR world seems to generate a huge number of rumours (e.g. Ben taking over the company, the Tuscan Challenge being dead for 2004, being replaced by a T350 only series to name two recent ones).

I suppose all I am saying is that I personally take all these rumours with a big pinch of salt until proven otherwise.

I said this in a rather inflammatory manner, for which I aplogise.

[Tivster]

griff2be said:

Tivster said: griff2be said: I must admit that I am starting to detect the faintest whiff of the brown stuff that eminates from the rear ends of male bovines. Perhaps I should ask Ben or Peter next time I see them? Oh FFS.... I am totally hacked off with the doubting, cynical and repetive bullsh1t that is the T350 forum. Someone asks a question, an answer is provided followed by the commencement of a Spanish Inquisition all because you haven't been able to find out some information that obviously you think you should be entitled to. Dropping names is a little old hat don't you think? Griff2be go and buy one and see what you get. If you are suggesting that I am lying then retract that and apologize. Its an odd way to publicise extra cost options on cars don't you think? i.e. not telling anyone, especially dealers? Wide bodied T350s and lightened bodied T350s require new moulds and or materials which would be costly to set up and further complicate the production process. The more you personalise a car the more it costs, and to move the personalisation all the way down the production line to the glassfibre shop doesn't make any (commercial) sense to me. This isn't the same as the T350T argument by the way. If I recall correctly, TVR officially announced (and took orders for) the T350T, and then some people doubted it would make it to production. I wasn't aware that TVR have announced an intention to make a wide bodied T350? The TVR world seems to generate a huge number of rumours (e.g. Ben taking over the company, the Tuscan Challenge being dead for 2004, being replaced by a T350 only series to name two recent ones). I suppose all I am saying is that I personally take all these rumours with a big pinch of salt until proven otherwise. I said this in a rather inflammatory manner, for which I aplogise.

Apology accepted, but you'll have to believe me when I say my bodyshell is different and that this is not a rumour in any way shape or form.
Proof of the pudding is in the eating as always and believe me that on close inspection you can see the bodywork is different to the standard T350.
I drive it every day so I think I'm in a position to relay fact and not fiction....

Nuff said



>> Edited by Tivster on Wednesday 22 October 16:49

[griff2be]

Tivster said:

Proof of the pudding is in the eating as always and believe me that on close inspection you can see the bodywork is different to the standard T350.

I would find it easier if you described the differences! (Other than the obvious T panels!)

All TVR bodyshells are, by their very nature, subtly different from each other. And also TVR tend to make small improvements, usually to iron out problems or make manufacturing easier.

What specifically is different about your bodyshell?

[flasher]

His bodyshell is no different to anyone elses.

Ignore him.

[MikeE]

As I said before I thought he actually knew what he was talking about and WAS getting a wide body - my mistake.

I'm with Griff2Be on this one, what's the point in telling everyone your cars different if you can't describe how?

Looking at your profile picture Tivster it just looks like all the other T350Cs I've seen

Now who is getting the first Wide Boy

[Tivster]

Grow up Tivster

Edited by PetrolTed

[Tivster]

MikeE said:

As I said before I thought he actually knew what he was talking about and WAS getting a wide body - my mistake. I'm with Griff2Be on this one, what's the point in telling everyone your cars different if you can't describe how? Looking at your profile picture Tivster it just looks like all the other T350Cs I've seen Now who is getting the first Wide Boy

Is it a different shape - no. I never said it was a wide body either.... try construction...

The reason some of the details about the upgrade pack were posted is because someone at the start of the thread asked and I as well as others answered.

It's a shame that the question has been lost in amongst the posts that repeat the same question over and over.

Maybe some one with a 'contact at the factory' (you know who you are...) should ask how many factory made performance pack T350's there are out there at the moment - not many....

Frankly at the end of the day it makes not a jot of difference if you or anyone else believes me or not. But what this thread doesn't need is the type of attitude demonstrated so well (again) by certain persons who have posted here.

Tivster

>> Edited by Tivster on Wednesday 22 October 18:41

[Tivster]

Flusher - not posted a response then - take a deep breath and count very slowly 1.....2.....3......4

hahahbloodyha

[flasher]

Tivster

I haven't been done for speeding.

I dont beleive you are a copper either.

To me and I guess most other people on here you are a complete self opinionated w*nker.

why dont you off and give us all a rest.