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Aston Vs Jag - are we slipping back?

Aston Vs Jag - are we slipping back?

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bogie

10,977 posts

169 months

Sunday 5th February 2012
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yeah, maybe thats where Lotus are going wrong...they make a car thats ok to look at, ok interior, expensive on a bhp per £ ratio, but handles fantastic, like a real drivers car should (and it does, I have driven one on track)

..so it appeals to a niche market of people who put 10/10ths driving ability above all else when looking for a new car

...thats not many people...and if you can really afford a £75K car, and you want that 10/10ths feel on track etc, you can usually afford a few cars in your fleet, you dont need to spend £75K on a compromised all rounder

for £75K I'll take mmm....a used Caterham for £20K, a 5 year old Vantage and a 5 year old Range Rover ..thats all bases covered for me smile

MrOrange

979 posts

150 months

Sunday 5th February 2012
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That's my thoughts Bogie. Randy is a good bloke but in the car trade, a good race driver and a massive Lotus fan. I can think why I'd buy a Jag over an Aston and certainly wouldn't put up with the look, ergo and finish of the Lotus -despite it being a good steer. Hell, The Cayman R is a better steer than the V8V but i wouldn't go back to a Cayman again, it was too accomplished.

bogie

10,977 posts

169 months

Sunday 5th February 2012
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Everyones usually got an angle ...maybe Randy is after a factory ride in an Evora, and aims to be their online ambassasador ...It would be great to see him sponsored to drive an Evora GT4 etc smile

Token Jock

858 posts

136 months

Sunday 5th February 2012
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bogie said:
Well I like mine, it does everything I want, feels more than quick enough and handles better than I can get the best out of either on track or on the road

ive "only" got an early 4.3 Vantage that Ive owned from 9 months old...you know the one that people say is "disapointing" and "slow"

but I dont care, because I really enjoy driving it, looking at it, listening to it, talking about it, tinkering with it, and even cleaning it (from time to time)

generally though I really like going places in it smile

I dont care what it says in a magazine or what racing drivers think of it, because Im old enough to make my own mind up ...

Jags will always be Jags..and Porsche are Porsche....I do like them too, in fact I like most cars in different ways...I like riding bikes too...in fact pretty much anything with an engine in it is fun

to be honest if I really like something, I dont really care what other people think, I get what I want smile

I guess that about sums it up for me
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I don't think I could have put it any better myself.

Sums up my feelings / thoughts about my V8V smile

AMArchie

234 posts

67 months

Sunday 5th February 2012
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Token Jock said:
bogie said:
Well I like mine, it does everything I want, feels more than quick enough and handles better than I can get the best out of either on track or on the road

ive "only" got an early 4.3 Vantage that Ive owned from 9 months old...you know the one that people say is "disapointing" and "slow"

but I dont care, because I really enjoy driving it, looking at it, listening to it, talking about it, tinkering with it, and even cleaning it (from time to time)

generally though I really like going places in it smile

I dont care what it says in a magazine or what racing drivers think of it, because Im old enough to make my own mind up ...

Jags will always be Jags..and Porsche are Porsche....I do like them too, in fact I like most cars in different ways...I like riding bikes too...in fact pretty much anything with an engine in it is fun

to be honest if I really like something, I dont really care what other people think, I get what I want smile

I guess that about sums it up for me
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I don't think I could have put it any better myself.

Sums up my feelings / thoughts about my V8V smile
+1 yes
Anyway - who is this Randall chap, and what makes his opinion carry weight? wink

Murph7355

11,401 posts

153 months

Sunday 5th February 2012
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steveatesh said:
This really depends upon what the word "better" actually means to individuals - its subjective rather than the cold objectivity of numbers. ...
This is all that needs to be said.

Many people often buy an allegedly "inferior" product and yet still think they made the right choice. If they didn't, we'd all be driving round in a Nissan GTR. Or BMW 330d. Or Toyota Avensis. Or something.

The Jags offer great bang for the buck. But the XKR, in my subjective opinion, doesn't look good enough on the outside or inside. It tries too hard.

If they built something that looks like the E-type, then the boys and girls at Gaydon would rightly cack themselves. But they don't and I suspect are unlikely to.

How long Aston can continue this though is very debatable. As others have intimated, they're against time with their current range...and the signs aren't great that imminent model replacements will move the game on.

cml

645 posts

159 months

Sunday 5th February 2012
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Both cars are superb and I can only wish. Maybe one day a old one, maybe. Stats are just willy waving. The Aston clearly has the edge in build quality, and ambience too.

Big factor effecting my wish-list daydreaming - you can get manual Astons.

michael gould

5,421 posts

138 months

Sunday 5th February 2012
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Aston Martins are one of the ultimate asperational products......Jags are not..........driving an Aston is a privilege few will experience.......driving a Jag can be experienced by anybody with £500

But if the purpose of the post is to say that AM should not sit on the success of the present range of cars then I would agree.....let's all hope the next generation of Astons are cars we aspire to.

cml

645 posts

159 months

Sunday 5th February 2012
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michael gould said:
Aston Martins are one of the ultimate asperational products......Jags are not..........driving an Aston is a privilege few will experience.......driving a Jag can be experienced by anybody with £500
When I was 14 Jags were asperational to me, and still are for most of us peasants, £500 or no. It's not a privilege to drive an Aston, it is cerainly the mark of good fortune though.

michael gould

5,421 posts

138 months

Sunday 5th February 2012
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cml said:
michael gould said:
Aston Martins are one of the ultimate asperational products......Jags are not..........driving an Aston is a privilege few will experience.......driving a Jag can be experienced by anybody with £500
When I was 14 Jags were asperational to me, and still are for most of us peasants, £500 or no. It's not a privilege to drive an Aston, it is cerainly the mark of good fortune though.
Aston Martin voted the coolest brand for the 3rd year in a row......Jag came 23rd........it's just not cool to dive a Jag.....never has been....never will be (unless you wear sheepskin coats) smile .....it's a privillage and a mark of hard work .....not good fortune for most of us driving Astons

angularocelot

84 posts

44 months

Sunday 5th February 2012
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michael gould said:
Aston Martin voted the coolest brand for the 3rd year in a row......Jag came 23rd........it's just not cool to dive a Jag.....never has been....never will be (unless you wear sheepskin coats) smile .....it's a privillage and a mark of hard work .....not good fortune for most of us driving Astons
lol! jaguar has a few cars cooler than anything astom martin ever made.

funny how the lucky ones always say it's "hard work".

bogie

10,977 posts

169 months

Monday 6th February 2012
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you dont think that people have worked their asses off to be able to afford their cars ?

so its all down to "luck" ?

I didnt win mine in any lottery I know that for sure wink

angularocelot

84 posts

44 months

Monday 6th February 2012
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bogie said:
you dont think that people have worked their asses off to be able to afford their cars ?

so its all down to "luck" ?

I didnt win mine in any lottery I know that for sure wink
lot's of people work their arses off everyday and can hardly afford busfare.
we're all in the race but some people get a massive headstart.

cml

645 posts

159 months

Monday 6th February 2012
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I was questioning the word 'privilege' used in its literal meaning, that is to say a granted privilege because you're just so lovely and special. Hence it isn't because all you need is the cash. Besides anyone with real class doesn't buy their Aston, it comes with the family silver smile If you buy a car because some self-satisfied style gurus think its a cool brand then you a not a petrol head. As for 'it's never been cool to drive a jag' total guff, hang on a minute...

...you're a troll aren't you?

People who work hard and become wealthy tend to ascribe their riches to the hard work. To quote Rockfeller here - "The secret of success is to get up early, work late and strike oil"

A manual late 70s Vantage please, all blanked grills and quiet threats. Class, but carrying a big V8 stick.

Both firms are doing well, hurrahs all round I say.

Edited by cml on Monday 6th February 09:22

SLacKer

2,153 posts

104 months

Monday 6th February 2012
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angularocelot said:
bogie said:
you dont think that people have worked their asses off to be able to afford their cars ?

so its all down to "luck" ?

I didnt win mine in any lottery I know that for sure wink
lot's of people work their arses off everyday and can hardly afford busfare.
we're all in the race but some people get a massive headstart.
What headstart is that then?



JohnG1

2,614 posts

102 months

Monday 6th February 2012
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cml said:
Both firms are doing well, hurrahs all round I say.
By both you mean JLR and AML?

I don't think so...

George H

13,217 posts

61 months

Monday 6th February 2012
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angularocelot said:
lol! jaguar has a few cars cooler than anything astom martin ever made.
I agree, Jaguar have made better cars than "AstoM Martin".

angularocelot said:
funny how the lucky ones always say it's "hard work".
rolleyes

mikey k

10,706 posts

113 months

Monday 6th February 2012
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angularocelot said:
bogie said:
you dont think that people have worked their asses off to be able to afford their cars ?

so its all down to "luck" ?

I didnt win mine in any lottery I know that for sure wink
lot's of people work their arses off everyday and can hardly afford busfare.
we're all in the race but some people get a massive headstart.
That is bull st!
Working hard is not working smart.
I came from a council estate and worked smart and hard.
That alone has enabled me to buy a new S to my spec.
Not some piece of luck winning.

BTW back on topic
IIRC Aston have always lagged behind on technology and been low on performance compared to the equivalents of the time.
Might be something to do with the tractor heritage wink
Or the fact owners care less about outright performance and comparing the P&J to other cars wink

Edited by mikey k on Monday 6th February 08:26

cml

645 posts

159 months

Monday 6th February 2012
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JohnG1 said:
cml said:
Both firms are doing well, hurrahs all round I say.
By both you mean JLR and AML?

I don't think so...
Oh, I thought they were - new models, sales and lots of press etc. Not so?

cml

645 posts

159 months

Monday 6th February 2012
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mikey k said:
angularocelot said:
bogie said:
you dont think that people have worked their asses off to be able to afford their cars ?

so its all down to "luck" ?

I didnt win mine in any lottery I know that for sure wink
lot's of people work their arses off everyday and can hardly afford busfare.
we're all in the race but some people get a massive headstart.
That is bull st!
Working hard is not working smart.
I came from a council estate and worked smart and hard.
Woooosh