Bought a V12V and not a fan...
Discussion
controlz said:
Could somebody please confirm that you CAN fit the Sottozero on the regular V12V alloys? I don't want to fork out on a set of tyres to find I need a new set of alloys too, and buying both isn't an option for me right now...
They are available in 255/35R19 96V and 295/30R19 100V and are cited onthe Pirelli website as being the right tyres for the V12 Vantage. Those are the right sizes.Update:
Purchasing a set of Sottozero's was a fantastic decision. They grip I've had this winter in both wet and dry conditions has been phenomenal - in fact, even over the last week where the temperatures in London has been over 15c, I have still had extreme levels of grip and can safely plant my foot down from a standstill with minimal if any wheel spin whatsoever, from gear 1 onwards.
Based on their current warm weather performance, I would have been happy to keep them on throughout summer but since I had the old set of Corsa's sitting at my local dealer I decided to get them fitted today..... I now feel like I'm back to square one!
I took the car out this evening in 13c heat, I let them warm up for a good 5 miles, planted my foot down and "EEEEEEKKKK" wheel spin like on ice. Unless I use no more then 30% throttle through gear one (even after feathering the start) I just get spinning. Unless there is a fault with my tyres, I can't understand how anybody could say there is more grip in the Corsa's as I can honestly say (now having down 5k miles in the car) the warm weather performance in the Sottozero's outshines the corsas in every way, and they are winters!
Do let me know if I'm doing something wrong, perhaps not heating the tyres up enough, but 5 miles on a warm say sounds quite a lot!
Best.
Purchasing a set of Sottozero's was a fantastic decision. They grip I've had this winter in both wet and dry conditions has been phenomenal - in fact, even over the last week where the temperatures in London has been over 15c, I have still had extreme levels of grip and can safely plant my foot down from a standstill with minimal if any wheel spin whatsoever, from gear 1 onwards.
Based on their current warm weather performance, I would have been happy to keep them on throughout summer but since I had the old set of Corsa's sitting at my local dealer I decided to get them fitted today..... I now feel like I'm back to square one!
I took the car out this evening in 13c heat, I let them warm up for a good 5 miles, planted my foot down and "EEEEEEKKKK" wheel spin like on ice. Unless I use no more then 30% throttle through gear one (even after feathering the start) I just get spinning. Unless there is a fault with my tyres, I can't understand how anybody could say there is more grip in the Corsa's as I can honestly say (now having down 5k miles in the car) the warm weather performance in the Sottozero's outshines the corsas in every way, and they are winters!
Do let me know if I'm doing something wrong, perhaps not heating the tyres up enough, but 5 miles on a warm say sounds quite a lot!
Best.
Have not driven a v12v so I can only comment on having driven on extreme summer tires (toyo r888) that it takes more than 5 miles to warm the tires up.
High performance summer tires do not warm up unless its either 30C + ambient temperature and you have done a few hard braking and turns with them. The only times I've gotten my high performance summers up to temp on the public road was after about 20 mins of some semi spirited back roads driving.
High performance summer tires do not warm up unless its either 30C + ambient temperature and you have done a few hard braking and turns with them. The only times I've gotten my high performance summers up to temp on the public road was after about 20 mins of some semi spirited back roads driving.
Neil1300r said:
The throttle is NOT an on off switch. Even in a training bra V8 I don't stamp on the throttle pedal in 1st gear, from a standstill. You don't have to do a dragster start at every set of traffic lights
I am not for one moment suggesting I do a 'dragster start' at every set of traffic lights, or to that matter treat the throttle as an on/off switch. As mentioned, I've done 5000 miles in my car and more than aware of how to apply power. All I am doing is a purely objective set of tests to compare the performance of the Sottozero's in dry/wet to the Corsa's I've recently fitted, and the Corsa is losing in every department. As another example, I've just taken the car to work, its 14c outside, and after a good 15 mins driving and 6 miles of road, planting my foot down at 50mph in gear 2 caused the back-end to wobble and the DSC to kick in. Now, I do this on the same patch of road almost EVERY single day, and in the Sottozero's it would NEVER do this in either the wet or dry. As such, logically I can't understand why a warm set of summer tyres would lose traction in ambient conditions, but a set of winter tyres in conditions that are totally wrong, would not do this. FYI, the Corsa's have 3mm of tread on them.
BravoV8V said:
Buy some new Corsas.
They might be above the legal limit (1.6mm) but they are very close to their effective limit.
And don't forget that if they are 'old' tyres then you will lose some of the benefit.They might be above the legal limit (1.6mm) but they are very close to their effective limit.
Edited to add:
Tyre Ageing
The car tyre and its structural integrity can and will degrade over time, this will happen if the vehicle is used regularly or not. Tyre ageing is the result of the chemical reaction of the rubber components inside the tyre. This reaction is hastened by sunlight and heat.
Tyres also become worn and as time goes by they lose their tread depth and their ability to grip the road in wet conditions. Old tyres can also develop cracks on the surface and its interiors. Once a tyre has cracks, the steel belts in the tread will eventually be affected which impacts the ability for the tyre to perform safely.
Edited by JimboA on Wednesday 15th April 11:08
If you buy a RWD car with very tight Limited Slip diff, 510 BHP, 600Nm, Corsa tyres, and have a heavy right foot, you can't expect it to behave like an S1 Audi. Aston Martin driver aids are quite unintrusive, so it will wheelspin in the first 3 or 4 gears, if driven hard!
If these things become a problem, then perhaps something with less power is probably more appropriate.
If these things become a problem, then perhaps something with less power is probably more appropriate.
roughrider said:
If you buy a RWD car with very tight Limited Slip diff, 510 BHP, 600Nm, Corsa tyres, and have a heavy right foot, you can't expect it to behave like an S1 Audi. Aston Martin driver aids are quite unintrusive, so it will wheelspin in the first 3 or 4 gears, if driven hard!
If these things become a problem, then perhaps something with less power is probably more appropriate.
Again, this is nothing to do with a heavy right foot or power, as this never happened with the winter tyres in the wet, or in the dry for that matter! I should only be getting increased grip with the Corsas when warm, but it feels like they are coated in a film of polish!If these things become a problem, then perhaps something with less power is probably more appropriate.
roughrider said:
If you buy a RWD car with very tight Limited Slip diff, 510 BHP, 600Nm, Corsa tyres, and have a heavy right foot, you can't expect it to behave like an S1 Audi. Aston Martin driver aids are quite unintrusive, so it will wheelspin in the first 3 or 4 gears, if driven hard!
If these things become a problem, then perhaps something with less power is probably more appropriate.
Again, this is nothing to do with a heavy right foot or power, as this never happened with the winter tyres in the wet, or in the dry for that matter! I should only be getting increased grip with the Corsas when warm, but it feels like they are coated in a film of oil!If these things become a problem, then perhaps something with less power is probably more appropriate.
My v12 came fitted with brand new Corsas on the rear and I have to be honest, I find them complete garbage if its not summer. I have a very smooth driving style (had track instructors tell me this numerous times) but they promote no confidence with getting the power down and feel very skittish and as soon as I've got through them I'll be looking for something else.
Driving 5 miles in town or at a constant speed on straight ish roads will not put heat into a tyre (well not the kind of heat you need). You need to be slightly aggressive in cornering and acceleration to build that temperature in a Corsa to get the grip levels you are ultimately looking for.
However, I would suggest that you go for the option tyre (Pirelli PZero) when you replace the tyres and that issue of warming up the tyres goes away. I loved the Corsa, but they are a compound that does not really belong on a road car that is not driven hard.
However, I would suggest that you go for the option tyre (Pirelli PZero) when you replace the tyres and that issue of warming up the tyres goes away. I loved the Corsa, but they are a compound that does not really belong on a road car that is not driven hard.
Hi controlz
I think we have all been over this a few times already......
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Fit the AM option approved regular P-Zero and that should sort you out!
Best Regards
Minglar
I think we have all been over this a few times already......
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Fit the AM option approved regular P-Zero and that should sort you out!
Best Regards
Minglar
Edited by Minglar on Wednesday 15th April 14:21
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