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MrFreight

106 posts

18 months

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Obvious Jockman - so AM etc can charge a Kings ramsome for replacements at maybe 1-2 times a year - Kerching!!

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Jockman

7,093 posts

29 months

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Friday 18th May 2012 quote quote all
yes easy money I suppose if people are daft enough to pay for it smile

CatalystV12V

426 posts

50 months

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Saturday 19th May 2012 quote quote all
You ae not aone. Went out and checked mine today. It's been hit too but only scuffed underneath.

So I'll be out with the lacquer too, or I may just put some protective film over it.

paddy328

1,213 posts

54 months

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Saturday 19th May 2012 quote quote all
I bet it doesn't cost Aston much to buy the part. To me, they are just making a big profit because you guys have no choice. Someone would be better off finding out who makes it and you can then go direct. I'll ask about.....

Black9

572 posts

45 months

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Saturday 19th May 2012 quote quote all
I would go to a local marina, and any good boat builder cold easily repair it, costing no more than a couple of hundred quid.
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johng39

1,793 posts

29 months

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Saturday 19th May 2012 quote quote all
Black9 said:
I would go to a local marina, and any good boat builder cold easily repair it, costing no more than a couple of hundred quid.
Boats are not made from carbon fibre. Not sure how they could help?

KarlFranz

1,045 posts

139 months

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johng39 said:
Boats are not made from carbon fibre. Not sure how they could help?
Actually, some boats are. Regardless, it's a good suggestion as many boats are made with fiberglass hulls which is the same process and uses the type of resins. And boat builders would know a thing or two about keeping water out.

johng39

1,793 posts

29 months

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KarlFranz said:
Actually, some boats are. Regardless, it's a good suggestion as many boats are made with fiberglass hulls which is the same process and uses the type of resins. And boat builders would know a thing or two about keeping water out.
Karl perhaps I should elaborate.

That is a very small split that he could fill with clear resin easily, I was only questioning how a GRP specialist charging a few hundred quid (not a CF specialist) would be any better help in reality. I am not trying to kick someones helpful suggestion, merely offer a counter argument that I cannot see the benefit. It would cost him £10 for some clear resin and a couple of hours to fix.

If someone suggested contacting mb1 on here who is currently building a number of us a CF replacement for the plastic key, then he is an expert and would be able to offer some expert advice.

Seriously how many production boats are made of CF? I am not particularly the argumentative type, but I am currently sitting on my GRP built boat in a marina of GRP & wooden boats. Not a CF boat in sight...

My mistake, next time I will not respond from a phone with limited time and not offer a full explanation.

BingoBob

1,080 posts

16 months

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Sunday 20th May 2012 quote quote all
Perhaps mb1 might want to make an aftermarket replacement splitter if he has the tooling big enough.

mb1

185 posts

125 months

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Sunday 20th May 2012 quote quote all
Hi Guys.

The kind of cracks and damages I have seen are repairable. However they would rarely look good. You can seal and make nice enough from a distance but you would never get the weave look good again. At least not to the standard I want on my cars. You know it is always that little detail that you only know about and annoy you each time you come close to your pride and joy ;-)

Doing an after market splitter is possible. The part itself would be way cheaper than the AM part.
Main issues are: CAD geometry (do not really fancy reverse engineering) and tooling cost.
With the ECU I am doing at the moment, the tooling is cheap enough to be easily spread over 20 orders.
With the splitter, the cost of the tool is going to be substantial. Unless we do some soft PU tooling that can make a small run of 20 sets or so.

mb1

185 posts

125 months

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Sunday 20th May 2012 quote quote all
Actually, thinking about it, it is possible to take a splash mould from one good splitter. Hence solving the geometry hurdle.

KarlFranz

1,045 posts

139 months

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Sunday 20th May 2012 quote quote all
johng39 said:
My mistake, next time I will not respond from a phone with limited time and not offer a full explanation.
Ah, makes sense to me now. Thanks. smile

Black9

572 posts

45 months

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Sunday 20th May 2012 quote quote all
johng39 said:
Karl perhaps I should elaborate.

That is a very small split that he could fill with clear resin easily, I was only questioning how a GRP specialist charging a few hundred quid (not a CF specialist) would be any better help in reality. I am not trying to kick someones helpful suggestion, merely offer a counter argument that I cannot see the benefit. It would cost him £10 for some clear resin and a couple of hours to fix.

If someone suggested contacting mb1 on here who is currently building a number of us a CF replacement for the plastic key, then he is an expert and would be able to offer some expert advice.

Seriously how many production boats are made of CF? I am not particularly the argumentative type, but I am currently sitting on my GRP built boat in a marina of GRP & wooden boats. Not a CF boat in sight...

My mistake, next time I will not respond from a phone with limited time and not offer a full explanation.
The process is very similar between GRP and CF, I said a couple of hundred quid as a max cost, and your rite it could prob be done for a lot less.

Any good GRP\CF repair specialist could repair it leaving little trace of the repair.

As for production boats, not many are made from CF, the old boat I used to skipper was CFKevlar and a lot of the new racing yachts are being made from CF, also most of the new larger power boats are having CF incorporated in to the super structure to cut down on weight.

I was going by my 10+ years of experience as a marine engineer and dealing with plastic tubs also having seen some of the repair jobs done to CF and they were more than just a small crack!

CraigV12V

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183 posts

22 months

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Monday 28th May 2012 quote quote all
Update

I have been approached by a UK guy who is involved with RC Tuning in US; www.rsctuning.com In essence they want a genuine V12V splitter to use as a mould to produce an aftermarket part and if I give them mine, they will collect and ship it to US and build a mould and send me back FOC a new splitter complete with the CF seam in the middle as per original. Compared to the circa £3.5k max I think I would be into, this seems like a good way of solving my split problem.

I seem to have little to loose as its pretty certain that any form of repair will always be visisble and to me it will stick out like a sore thumb every time I walk up to it. If the part is inferior they will lose the opportunity to build a reputation that would doubtless lead to the many other V12V owners who might be possible customers in due course as I would publish the details of my experience. I would only really be worse off by the 4 weeks car will be off road waiting, otherwise I will be buying the new part as I would probably do anyway.

RC Tuning are happy for me to put this information up on PH and unless anyone knows otherwise they seem very genuine to me.

They believe when finished the part would cost circa £1.5k.

Any thoughts?

Jockman

7,093 posts

29 months

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Monday 28th May 2012 quote quote all
Will this also be of benefit to the V8VS guys and gals ?? smile

CraigV12V

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183 posts

22 months

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Jockman said:
Will this also be of benefit to the V8VS guys and gals ?? smile
Does the teeny weeny engined Vantages have same splitter are proper Vantages? If so then I imagine it would be a snug fit but I would hope someone with a bit more knowledge than I can confirm this. Thought V8's had plastic splitter made of old recycled plastic bottles?

I have asked RC Tuning as they definately know more about this than I.

Jockman

7,093 posts

29 months

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Monday 28th May 2012 quote quote all
The one I saw the other day on a V8VS was certainly carbon fibre, and I'm assuming it may be the same size as that on the V12V ????? smile

CraigV12V

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183 posts

22 months

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Monday 28th May 2012 quote quote all
Result if it is as imagine there are many more V8VS's around than V12Vs.

I will probably get this done while on summer vacation which we have not booked yet; Bahamas if sons do well in exams, Bournmouth if not!


KarlFranz

1,045 posts

139 months

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Monday 28th May 2012 quote quote all
I have one of the first RSC Tuning N420 carbon rear diffusers on my car (see my pics thread) and it is an exact replica of very high quality. The only difference is that I don't have the seam in the middle but mine was substantially cheaper than the AM part.

Also, the same carbon splitter is on the V12V as on the V8VS. For the 2012 MY, AM also used the same splitter on the standard V8V but it is made out of black plastic instead of carbon. You can get the carbon part as an option when you spec the car. If anyone wants to save some money and is concerned about replacement costs, the black plastic version is a good alternative but won't look as nice. If you still want carbon, though, RSC is a very good choice.

mikey k

6,453 posts

85 months

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Monday 28th May 2012 quote quote all
CraigV12V said:
Jockman said:
Will this also be of benefit to the V8VS guys and gals ?? smile
Does the teeny weeny engined Vantages have same splitter are proper Vantages? If so then I imagine it would be a snug fit but I would hope someone with a bit more knowledge than I can confirm this. Thought V8's had plastic splitter made of old recycled plastic bottles?

I have asked RC Tuning as they definately know more about this than I.
laugh

To wind you up further Aston have already made a plastic copy of the V12V carbon one and fit it to ALL new vantages now laugh

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