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hornbaek
1,831 posts
104 months
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Ice27 said: Remember that this design is already 7 years old. It doesn't look dated to me at all yet. Even with the advent of the Vanquish. It is the Carbon Fibre vents that set this model apart from the V8Vs and it will be a design classic in years to come.
Astons age remarkably well IMO. The outside yes but the inside is dated by now. I rented a Ford Edge 4x4 in the US last week and that had an infotainment system which was far superior to everything Aston has ever produced including the all new Vanquish. I waited for the opportunity to swap my V12V for the roadster but I don't think this i competitive on price and features in today's environment. For the switching costs between a V12V and the roadster you could have a V8S roadster or a boxter and keep the V12V.
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silverspeed
859 posts
99 months
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hornbaek said: Ice27 said: Remember that this design is already 7 years old. It doesn't look dated to me at all yet. Even with the advent of the Vanquish. It is the Carbon Fibre vents that set this model apart from the V8Vs and it will be a design classic in years to come.
Astons age remarkably well IMO. The outside yes but the inside is dated by now. I rented a Ford Edge 4x4 in the US last week and that had an infotainment system which was far superior to everything Aston has ever produced including the all new Vanquish. I waited for the opportunity to swap my V12V for the roadster but I don't think this i competitive on price and features in today's environment. For the switching costs between a V12V and the roadster you could have a V8S roadster or a boxter and keep the V12V. Agreed but don't think Aston are about cutting edge in any particular area except that exhaust note! I will gladly take ownership of the R based on the following Exclusivity Design Feel good factor Nothing else really matters IMO 
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hornbaek
1,831 posts
104 months
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Im happy that you have been able to rationalise your planned purchase of the V12R because i am struggling with it and i don't think AML has been all that helpful to make us take that decision easily. It starts with residuals for the V12V and finishes with the lack of evolution or progress of the V12VR.
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George H
10,227 posts
33 months
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hornbaek said: Im happy that you have been able to rationalise your planned purchase of the V12R because i am struggling with it and i don't think AML has been all that helpful to make us take that decision easily. It starts with residuals for the V12V and finishes with the lack of evolution or progress of the V12VR. Why exactly would you be expecting progress or evolution from a convertible variant of an existing model?  There's no progress between the V8V and the V8VR, why the hell would there be with the V12V and the V12VR? It's a convertible version of the same car, hence it's supposed to be similar 
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AdamV12V
1,073 posts
46 months
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George H said: hornbaek said: Im happy that you have been able to rationalise your planned purchase of the V12R because i am struggling with it and i don't think AML has been all that helpful to make us take that decision easily. It starts with residuals for the V12V and finishes with the lack of evolution or progress of the V12VR. Why exactly would you be expecting progress or evolution from a convertible variant of an existing model? There's no progress between the V8V and the V8VR, why the hell would there be with the V12V and the V12VR? It's a convertible version of the same car, hence it's supposed to be similar +1 What on earth are you expecting mate? Its a V12VR not a V12VS or V12VRS... its the same car as the V12V but with a hood instead of a roof, thats the whole point! NOTE TO SELF : Must stop agreeing with George on things! 
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hornbaek
1,831 posts
104 months
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Without any other improvements/updates i simply think it is too expensive for what it is. With a new coupe effectively being discounted to say 115-120k these days you are looking at a 40k premium for the convertible.
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AdamV12V
1,073 posts
46 months
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hornbaek said: Without any other improvements/updates i simply think it is too expensive for what it is. With a new coupe effectively being discounted to say 115-120k these days you are looking at a 40k premium for the convertible. You are missing the point... At this price point its not the capital outlay that is the issue to buyers, but the depreciation! The limited volume of 101 units should offer safety in this respect.
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George H
10,227 posts
33 months
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hornbaek said: Without any other improvements/updates i simply think it is too expensive for what it is. With a new coupe effectively being discounted to say 115-120k these days you are looking at a 40k premium for the convertible. Compare it to list price, not actual selling price then and you will find the price is fairly reasonable (imo) for a limited edition run of 100. If they were making 1000 or whatever they're making now with the coupe, the roadster would be discounted to be a £15-20k premium. As it's limited, people are willing to pay for exclusivity. Also, a hell of a lot more people would complain if this had more power or updates than the coupe. Adam, you know with my fine taste you're going to end up agreeing with me more often
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DB9VolanteDriver
732 posts
45 months
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hornbaek said: I rented a Ford Edge 4x4 in the US last week and that had an infotainment system which was far superior to everything Aston has ever produced including the all new Vanquish. If you are so enamored of the Ford Edge because of its "infotainment" system, then as James May would say, "Go watch FaceTube and join YouBook." Astons are NOT about infotainment systems. And if you think they should be, then you have bought the wrong car in the first place.
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hornbaek
1,831 posts
104 months
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What is it with this forum.? The moment you start getting a bit critical about Astons you get shot down. I have two Astons currently and bought a DB9 in 2005 and now have a V12V and a DB4. I don't think that i have totally missed the point of what Astons are. My reference to the Ford Edge was merely, that on a USD 40k rental car the infotainment system is far superior than what you get on a USD 300k Vanquish. We started this discussion talking about how (well) the design had aged - except the interior. My example with the Ford Edge was not to say that this car is comparable with an Aston but merely that the world has moved on - even in US car industry.
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DB9VolanteDriver
732 posts
45 months
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The interior of Astons has aged just as well as the exterior. "Interior" does not equate to "infotainment" system.
Like I said, infotainment is the least important aspect of the car. Just remember, today's cutting edge is tomorrow's obsolete. Aston would be foolish to play that game.
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AdamV12V
1,073 posts
46 months
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hornbaek said: What is it with this forum.? The moment you start getting a bit critical about Astons you get shot down. I have two Astons currently and bought a DB9 in 2005 and now have a V12V and a DB4. I don't think that i have totally missed the point of what Astons are. My reference to the Ford Edge was merely, that on a USD 40k rental car the infotainment system is far superior than what you get on a USD 300k Vanquish. We started this discussion talking about how (well) the design had aged - except the interior. My example with the Ford Edge was not to say that this car is comparable with an Aston but merely that the world has moved on - even in US car industry. lol - you have changed your name clorenzen! I (for one) mistook you for a serial PH poster who flyposted to Aston with random comments (as happens from time to time). Please accept my sincere apologies for my unfortunate outbreak above. I must blame my outbursts on being home alone for the weekend and having nothing better to do on a Saturday night at home other than stalking my favourite forum + a whole bottle of rioja + general over enthusiam towards the brand and V12V model range! 
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hornbaek
1,831 posts
104 months
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Accepted. My frustration is actually not with Aston but with the weather. If we had had 30 degrees and sunshine no price would be too high for a convertible.
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madmover
1,346 posts
53 months
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I really like it, I love my convertibles so it would be ideal for me but unfortunately i'm not in and unlikely to be in the position to buy such a car anytime in the foreseeable future. One day hopefully but If I was buying at the moment the Scottish part of me would come out and I'd be looking at used coupes as they have depreciated so 'well' (From a buyers perspective). The plate on the car pictured makes me think it'll be a press car thats sold on but who knows... I should think they'll all sell pretty quickly and there will be a premium to be added for those sold by people who have them straight away... lets wait and see 
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AdamV12V
1,073 posts
46 months
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George H said: Good spot George! Well looks like we know why the car was in London last week! The CF still looks red tinted even on the official shots!
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AdamV12V
1,073 posts
46 months
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silverspeed said: It looks like the piano black from the centre ski slope console has been replaced by matching leather? It may just be me after a late night last night!
Yup thats confirmed too now in the official shots on the AM website. I think its red paint rather than leather though... 
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George H
10,227 posts
33 months
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AdamV12V said: Yup thats confirmed too now in the official shots on the AM website. I think its red paint rather than leather though... Doesn't the new Vanquish offer a Piano red interior? Or am I just imagining that? Maybe it's an option on the V12VR if it is on the Vanquish. Not a huge fan of it though, Piano black looks miles better!
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Grant3
2,816 posts
124 months
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Can't see official mention of the limited production numbers, hopefully I have just missed that unless A.M. Are waiting to. See what demand is like !!!
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yeti
6,923 posts
144 months
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I think AML are jut trying to show people what can be done - they don't HAVE to be grey with black leather, piano black and have the oh-so-crazy silver stitching! You'll own 1 of 100 cars. It's is your duty to make it UNIQUE, not just rely on the fact they're quite rare! I'd spec mine up like the DBR1 racer in Aston Racing Green or Cali Sage and have the carbon trim in yellow, the interior in green alcantara.
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George H
10,227 posts
33 months
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Grant3 said: Can't see official mention of the limited production numbers, hopefully I have just missed that unless A.M. Are waiting to. See what demand is like !!! Nope, I couldn't find anything about it in the press release. The only thing I could find about exclusivity was "...should leave the sports car cognoscenti in no doubt that this is a truly exclusive Aston Martin." I wonder if they will just repeat what they did with the coupe?  Or I wonder if buyers this time will have realised and will get AM to sign a contract saying that no more will be made?
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