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The cycle repeats over and over.
Now is the time to buy a VANQUISH. There is an over supply, they never sold that many, its one of the last bez era cars, there is a zagato version, they're drop dead gorgeous, amazing to drive etc etc. They'll be even more desirable than a DBS in years to come.
The wheel will turn and you'll look back and wonder why you didn't pick up a vanq for the price of a DBS.
Now is the time to buy a VANQUISH. There is an over supply, they never sold that many, its one of the last bez era cars, there is a zagato version, they're drop dead gorgeous, amazing to drive etc etc. They'll be even more desirable than a DBS in years to come.
The wheel will turn and you'll look back and wonder why you didn't pick up a vanq for the price of a DBS.
Then you'll see. Slarti650 said:
The cycle repeats over and over.
Now is the time to buy a VANQUISH. There is an over supply, they never sold that many, its one of the last bez era cars, there is a zagato version, they're drop dead gorgeous, amazing to drive etc etc. They'll be even more desirable than a DBS in years to come.
The wheel will turn and you'll look back and wonder why you didn't pick up a vanq for the price of a DBS.
Will be fascinating to see the total number produced when Vanquish finishes production over the next year or twoNow is the time to buy a VANQUISH. There is an over supply, they never sold that many, its one of the last bez era cars, there is a zagato version, they're drop dead gorgeous, amazing to drive etc etc. They'll be even more desirable than a DBS in years to come.
The wheel will turn and you'll look back and wonder why you didn't pick up a vanq for the price of a DBS.
On one hand, it would make sense that in years to come, Vanquish is seen as the last/best n/a V12 Aston GT. In that respect, theoretically in years to come, it will be worth an awful lot more than an auto transmission DBS.
But on the other hand, whilst right now, the differences between DBS & Vanquish might look significant, I'm not sure that looking back in 20 years time, factors such as 510 or 565 bhp, or a slightly different centre console with haptic buttons, will be seen as a particularly big deal ? Things will have moved on so much by then that in relative terms, Vanquish & DBS will surely seem more similar than they do right now. If so, it will come down to which shape time views as 'the desirable one'
I'm going to take a wild guess and say the average age buyer of these cars is 45-50. ie grew up when all sports cars were manual, so want a "proper" gearbox.
The 25-30 year old now grew up in the era of DSG, Tiptronic/PDK, Ferrari F1, Lambo E-Gear etc
In 20 years a lot of the potential buyers might not ever have spent proper time with a manual so might not want it.
Do the youtube car guys of today care as much as we do? And will that reflect in the future?
I'll come back here in 20 years with the answer HTH.
The 25-30 year old now grew up in the era of DSG, Tiptronic/PDK, Ferrari F1, Lambo E-Gear etc
In 20 years a lot of the potential buyers might not ever have spent proper time with a manual so might not want it.
Do the youtube car guys of today care as much as we do? And will that reflect in the future?
I'll come back here in 20 years with the answer HTH.
jonby said:
Will be fascinating to see the total number produced when Vanquish finishes production over the next year or two
On one hand, it would make sense that in years to come, Vanquish is seen as the last/best n/a V12 Aston GT. In that respect, theoretically in years to come, it will be worth an awful lot more than an auto transmission DBS.
But on the other hand, whilst right now, the differences between DBS & Vanquish might look significant, I'm not sure that looking back in 20 years time, factors such as 510 or 565 bhp, or a slightly different centre console with haptic buttons, will be seen as a particularly big deal ? Things will have moved on so much by then that in relative terms, Vanquish & DBS will surely seem more similar than they do right now. If so, it will come down to which shape time views as 'the desirable one'
Well said. The only caveat is if you have to have a manual, and that desire doesn't appear to be going away anytime soon, then the DBS is your only option as far as halo GT goes. The limited numbers should really mean that they will command a premium. Anyone know how many new Vanquish have been made so far?On one hand, it would make sense that in years to come, Vanquish is seen as the last/best n/a V12 Aston GT. In that respect, theoretically in years to come, it will be worth an awful lot more than an auto transmission DBS.
But on the other hand, whilst right now, the differences between DBS & Vanquish might look significant, I'm not sure that looking back in 20 years time, factors such as 510 or 565 bhp, or a slightly different centre console with haptic buttons, will be seen as a particularly big deal ? Things will have moved on so much by then that in relative terms, Vanquish & DBS will surely seem more similar than they do right now. If so, it will come down to which shape time views as 'the desirable one'
jonby said:
Will be fascinating to see the total number produced when Vanquish finishes production over the next year or two
On one hand, it would make sense that in years to come, Vanquish is seen as the last/best n/a V12 Aston GT. In that respect, theoretically in years to come, it will be worth an awful lot more than an auto transmission DBS.
But on the other hand, whilst right now, the differences between DBS & Vanquish might look significant, I'm not sure that looking back in 20 years time, factors such as 510 or 565 bhp, or a slightly different centre console with haptic buttons, will be seen as a particularly big deal ? Things will have moved on so much by then that in relative terms, Vanquish & DBS will surely seem more similar than they do right now. If so, it will come down to which shape time views as 'the desirable one'
I think the performance increase, improved dynamics et al. are noticeable enough in the vanq and therefore significant. A bit like why many people prefer DBS over vanq1 because the original vanq simply has older drivetrain, tech etc. in years to come people won't care about manuals. The 20 somethings of today won't even know what to do with a stick. On one hand, it would make sense that in years to come, Vanquish is seen as the last/best n/a V12 Aston GT. In that respect, theoretically in years to come, it will be worth an awful lot more than an auto transmission DBS.
But on the other hand, whilst right now, the differences between DBS & Vanquish might look significant, I'm not sure that looking back in 20 years time, factors such as 510 or 565 bhp, or a slightly different centre console with haptic buttons, will be seen as a particularly big deal ? Things will have moved on so much by then that in relative terms, Vanquish & DBS will surely seem more similar than they do right now. If so, it will come down to which shape time views as 'the desirable one'
Slarti650 said:
jonby said:
Will be fascinating to see the total number produced when Vanquish finishes production over the next year or two
On one hand, it would make sense that in years to come, Vanquish is seen as the last/best n/a V12 Aston GT. In that respect, theoretically in years to come, it will be worth an awful lot more than an auto transmission DBS.
But on the other hand, whilst right now, the differences between DBS & Vanquish might look significant, I'm not sure that looking back in 20 years time, factors such as 510 or 565 bhp, or a slightly different centre console with haptic buttons, will be seen as a particularly big deal ? Things will have moved on so much by then that in relative terms, Vanquish & DBS will surely seem more similar than they do right now. If so, it will come down to which shape time views as 'the desirable one'
I think the performance increase, improved dynamics et al. are noticeable enough in the vanq and therefore significant. A bit like why many people prefer DBS over vanq1 because the original vanq simply has older drivetrain, tech etc. in years to come people won't care about manuals. The 20 somethings of today won't even know what to do with a stick. On one hand, it would make sense that in years to come, Vanquish is seen as the last/best n/a V12 Aston GT. In that respect, theoretically in years to come, it will be worth an awful lot more than an auto transmission DBS.
But on the other hand, whilst right now, the differences between DBS & Vanquish might look significant, I'm not sure that looking back in 20 years time, factors such as 510 or 565 bhp, or a slightly different centre console with haptic buttons, will be seen as a particularly big deal ? Things will have moved on so much by then that in relative terms, Vanquish & DBS will surely seem more similar than they do right now. If so, it will come down to which shape time views as 'the desirable one'
I have 2 sons early 20's, both have manual cars and prefer them to paddle shift.
Worth taking a close look at NP Vanquish S prices. They have roughly doubled in 4 years. No stick, just AML's first iteration of paddle shift. Stick or paddle isn't the issue - it's the car as a whole that matters: looks, handling, performance, comfort etc. I'm as happy with my V12VR or DB7GT as my DBS, Vanquish S or 650s Spider. Buy it because YOU like it and get value through use and enjoyment then anything else is a bonus. But if a model hasn't been selling, then you do have to wonder why........
Edited by Brital on Sunday 29th January 09:16
Just wondering where everyone's thoughts are regarding the DBS at the moment? I have been offered a relatively cheap DBS and just wondering what the desirability of these is in case I fancied at any point? I have lusted after one of these since Casino Royale and just wondering whether to take the plunge or pass by a very well priced one and wait for something else...
JiggyJaggy said:
Just wondering where everyone's thoughts are regarding the DBS at the moment? I have been offered a relatively cheap DBS and just wondering what the desirability of these is in case I fancied at any point? I have lusted after one of these since Casino Royale and just wondering whether to take the plunge or pass by a very well priced one and wait for something else...
Manual or TT.Spec, mileage etc?
AMDBSVNick said:
JiggyJaggy said:
Just wondering where everyone's thoughts are regarding the DBS at the moment? I have been offered a relatively cheap DBS and just wondering what the desirability of these is in case I fancied at any point? I have lusted after one of these since Casino Royale and just wondering whether to take the plunge or pass by a very well priced one and wait for something else...
Manual or TT.Spec, mileage etc?
Generally are many people buying these versus the DB9/11/Vanquish etc?
JiggyJaggy said:
Just wondering where everyone's thoughts are regarding the DBS at the moment? I have been offered a relatively cheap DBS and just wondering what the desirability of these is in case I fancied at any point? I have lusted after one of these since Casino Royale and just wondering whether to take the plunge or pass by a very well priced one and wait for something else...
They've been gradually appreciating over the past few months and a steady amount are selling, despite the winter lull. The manual seems to command a premium, as do Volante versions and some prices are speculatively very high, yet they are selling. For what price, we don't know. How 'cheap' is the offer you have? As for desirability, if you want one, get one. Would I buy one as an investment? No, because the market is a fickle as any other, but at the moment, they are commanding a reasonable price and seem to be enjoying the 'last of the NA V12 manual GT' (accepting of course that the V12V is in the same space - and is equally likely to start appreciating). If you've a good option on one, and you've lusted after one for a while, sounds like the deal is done to me!
If it's in any of the more desirable colours (black and the darker greys), a manual with reasonable mileage I don't think you can go far wrong. Also depends what you call reasonable value....as a rough guide, manuals have been snapped up within days of advertising at £115k and above lately. I know at that price they start to compete with Vanquish 2 but a manual is a different animal so some people see them completely differently. If it's exactly what you want, you could be waiting a long time for the same to pop up again.
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