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franki68

10,330 posts

220 months

Tuesday 17th July 2012
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AdamV12V said:
Depreciation yes, but what running costs? I thought all new Ferrari's came with 4yrs warrenty and 7yrs free servicing included in the price? Surely thats zero running costs on a 458?
insurance and petrol ?

Robbo66

3,828 posts

232 months

Tuesday 17th July 2012
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When something goes wrong, and it will on a Ferrari, warranty needs to be water tight. Had a 360 from new for 12 months in 04, cost me £7.00 per mile, ex petrol. I did 4000 miles. They are seriously mileage sensitive too.

AdamV12V

4,987 posts

176 months

Tuesday 17th July 2012
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franki68 said:
insurance and petrol ?
ok fair enough, but surely neither of those are much different from a DBS!

Robbo66 said:
When something goes wrong, and it will on a Ferrari, warranty needs to be water tight. Had a 360 from new for 12 months in 04, cost me £7.00 per mile, ex petrol. I did 4000 miles. They are seriously mileage sensitive too.
Fair enough but thats depreciation not running costs isnt it? What warranty issues did you have that Ferrari didnt honour?

kbf1981

2,249 posts

199 months

Tuesday 17th July 2012
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AdamV12V said:
Robbo66 said:
The 458 is fantastic, a stupendous machine, an absolte scalpel. I Would have one in a flash, but cannot..as unfortunately you look an utter tool driving one and the depreciation and runnng costs are biblical.
Depreciation yes, but what running costs? I thought all new Ferrari's came with 4yrs warrenty and 7yrs free servicing included in the price? Surely thats zero running costs on a 458?
This.

New Ferrari's are lovely with that - just tyres, fuel and insurance to pay for, none of which are that bad for a car of it's class. Depreciation must be £20k in first year? This year is the year that'll hit them imho.

Robbo66

3,828 posts

232 months

Tuesday 17th July 2012
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AdamV12V said:
Fair enough but thats depreciation not running costs isnt it? What warranty issues did you have that Ferrari didnt honour?
Tyres, servicing (no free servicing back then), niggles outside warranty and depreciation. Paid £107,000, lost £28,000 ex petrol.

Jockman

17,912 posts

159 months

Tuesday 17th July 2012
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Are RFL and Tracker Subs applicable here ?? smile

Robbo66

3,828 posts

232 months

Tuesday 17th July 2012
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Jockman said:
Are RFL and Tracker Subs applicable here ?? smile
Tracker yes, not RFL

Jockman

17,912 posts

159 months

Tuesday 17th July 2012
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Robbo66 said:
Tracker yes, not RFL
Do Ferrari supply this Robbo ??

yeti

10,523 posts

274 months

Tuesday 17th July 2012
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AdamV12V said:
Depreciation yes, but what running costs? I thought all new Ferrari's came with 4yrs warrenty and 7yrs free servicing included in the price? Surely thats zero running costs on a 458?
It's generous of Ferarri without a doubt, but what does 'free servicing' include? The labour cost of the service, certainly. Perhaps the annual oil and filter change, thair filter, the most basic of service items. It will not cover pads, clutch, dampers, tyres, fault finding or repairs putside of warranty.

The free service is probably worth a grand a year, very nice but the costs normaly associated with Ferraris are not within the service, they are what's outside. Like going in with an Aston for a 700 quids service anmd coming out with a 3 grand bill - same deal. Hopefully the warranty will pick up much of it, but Ferraris consume consumables when they're used hard wink

Had 3 years free servcing and factory warranty on my brand new Tuscan back in the day, still cost ME 2 grand a year to keep it running. Don't be fooled into thinking it's free motoring!!

michael gould

5,691 posts

240 months

Tuesday 17th July 2012
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only knobs drive Ferarri's.... and footballers......so that means.....only knobs drive Ferarris's

mikey k

13,011 posts

215 months

Tuesday 17th July 2012
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yeti said:
AdamV12V said:
Depreciation yes, but what running costs? I thought all new Ferrari's came with 4yrs warrenty and 7yrs free servicing included in the price? Surely thats zero running costs on a 458?
It's generous of Ferarri without a doubt, but what does 'free servicing' include? The labour cost of the service, certainly. Perhaps the annual oil and filter change, thair filter, the most basic of service items. It will not cover pads, clutch, dampers, tyres, fault finding or repairs putside of warranty.

The free service is probably worth a grand a year, very nice but the costs normaly associated with Ferraris are not within the service, they are what's outside. Like going in with an Aston for a 700 quids service anmd coming out with a 3 grand bill - same deal. Hopefully the warranty will pick up much of it, but Ferraris consume consumables when they're used hard wink

Had 3 years free servcing and factory warranty on my brand new Tuscan back in the day, still cost ME 2 grand a year to keep it running. Don't be fooled into thinking it's free motoring!!
+1 It's a lock in to provide them with a long term revenue stream from each car laugh Same as Vauxhall with the life time warranty scheme

Though I do keep looking at 16M's rolleyes

AMDBSNick

6,990 posts

161 months

Tuesday 17th July 2012
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michael gould said:
only knobs drive Ferarri's.... and footballers......so that means.....only knobs drive Ferarris's

AstonZagato

12,652 posts

209 months

Tuesday 17th July 2012
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Depreciation?

<fingers in ears> Lalalalalalala. Not listening.

Robbo66

3,828 posts

232 months

Tuesday 17th July 2012
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yeti said:
It's generous of Ferarri without a doubt, but what does 'free servicing' include? The labour cost of the service, certainly. Perhaps the annual oil and filter change, thair filter, the most basic of service items. It will not cover pads, clutch, dampers, tyres, fault finding or repairs putside of warranty.

The free service is probably worth a grand a year, very nice but the costs normaly associated with Ferraris are not within the service, they are what's outside. Like going in with an Aston for a 700 quids service anmd coming out with a 3 grand bill - same deal. Hopefully the warranty will pick up much of it, but Ferraris consume consumables when they're used hard wink

Had 3 years free servcing and factory warranty on my brand new Tuscan back in the day, still cost ME 2 grand a year to keep it running. Don't be fooled into thinking it's free motoring!!
Exactly.
Tracker was only £250 per year from memory.
I was offered a new 458 + cash as a straight swap for the 2.7RS, drove one and was seriously smitten. Flappy paddle though and more computer game than analogue, raw experience I get with the 2.7RS.

I also got pulled by the police during the test drive for booting it down the Swindon by pass. Explained to the officer it was a test drive, and he walked around to the other window and berated the salesman for pushing me to boot it and not having dealer plates on... Let me off !. Fantastic car though.

Jockman

17,912 posts

159 months

Tuesday 17th July 2012
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Tracker and RFL for my DB9 over the last 3.5 years have been approaching £2.5k.

Tyres have been only £598 smile

jonby

5,357 posts

156 months

Tuesday 17th July 2012
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mikey k said:
yeti said:
AdamV12V said:
Depreciation yes, but what running costs? I thought all new Ferrari's came with 4yrs warrenty and 7yrs free servicing included in the price? Surely thats zero running costs on a 458?
It's generous of Ferarri without a doubt, but what does 'free servicing' include? The labour cost of the service, certainly. Perhaps the annual oil and filter change, thair filter, the most basic of service items. It will not cover pads, clutch, dampers, tyres, fault finding or repairs putside of warranty.

The free service is probably worth a grand a year, very nice but the costs normaly associated with Ferraris are not within the service, they are what's outside. Like going in with an Aston for a 700 quids service anmd coming out with a 3 grand bill - same deal. Hopefully the warranty will pick up much of it, but Ferraris consume consumables when they're used hard wink

Had 3 years free servcing and factory warranty on my brand new Tuscan back in the day, still cost ME 2 grand a year to keep it running. Don't be fooled into thinking it's free motoring!!
+1 It's a lock in to provide them with a long term revenue stream from each car laugh Same as Vauxhall with the life time warranty scheme

Though I do keep looking at 16M's rolleyes
Correct. Many Ferrari owners were going to non-franchise specialists for servicing once they were out of warranty period - now they will stay with dealers, or in the case of 2nd/3rd owners, go to dealers, meaning as you say said dealers get the margin on tyres, consumables, etc and the relationship for 7 yrs, after which people are likely to stay with said dealers as well.

Murph7355

37,651 posts

255 months

Tuesday 17th July 2012
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Robbo66 said:
Cali is ugly and exceptionally feminine, as an Evoque is.

The 458 however remains the second best car I have ever driven, the first being the 2.7RS.

The 458 is fantastic, a stupendous machine, an absolte scalpel. I Would have one in a flash, but cannot..as unfortunately you look an utter tool driving one and the depreciation and runnng costs are biblical.
The V12V comes in 3rd. Classy, muscular, beautiful, powerful.....but a little heavy IMO. My only gripe.
The depreciation on any Aston will make the 458 look like a sound investment.

And running costs will, I suspect, be comparable to a DBS these days.

As for looking a tool...I've never been overly fussed about what others think. I drive a fluorescent yellow Caterham and wear a crash helmet and race boots to do so. Do I look a tool? Always smile Do I care? Nope - I'm driving a pure and thrilling machine, why should I worry what anyone else thinks...

I very much doubt any passers by look in the Aston and think "what a suave and debonair chap that is" and equally I don't care. (They could as easily think "that could be Michael Gould who posts on PH. What a knob" smile).

yeti

10,523 posts

274 months

Tuesday 17th July 2012
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Murph7355 said:
They could as easily think "that could be Michael Gould who posts on PH. What a knob" smile
Harsh.

But fair.

Robbo66

3,828 posts

232 months

Tuesday 17th July 2012
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Murph7355 said:
The depreciation on any Aston will make the 458 look like a sound investment.

And running costs will, I suspect, be comparable to a DBS these days.

As for looking a tool...I've never been overly fussed about what others think. I drive a fluorescent yellow Caterham and wear a crash helmet and race boots to do so. Do I look a tool? Always smile Do I care? Nope - I'm driving a pure and thrilling machine, why should I worry what anyone else thinks...

I very much doubt any passers by look in the Aston and think "what a suave and debonair chap that is" and equally I don't care. (They could as easily think "that could be Michael Gould who posts on PH. What a knob" smile).
Agreed, but you are comparing a Caterham, a pure driving analogue machine, with an utter status symbol for the majority of Ferrari owners who rev through city centres on a saturday night, or on one of those ridiculous London meet/runs.
I think you can use the Aston in far more circumstances than you can a Ferrari, well, in my experience you can.
Who is Michael Gould ?

PauloV12V

352 posts

250 months

Saturday 4th August 2012
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P14SMM said:
I've been offered 70k against me paying Liston 170k! I think it takes the p@@@! Given the condition of mine I would have though 92 ish private and 85 PX but what's being offered is silly.
I have just been looking at DBS prices. It seems to me now that good 09 plates are £85k at dealers so I guess bids around £70- £75K whilst annoying are looking realistic.

I have just been bid on my V12V and it was not what I had hoped!