Discussion
vpr said:
Yes, true, I remember that episode but it's just how I feel particularly when the DBS is an Auto, an auto in the true sense against the SLS which has a double clutch with no torque converter (although needs the factory GT2 software)
You can hussle an SLS at quite a rate though the twisties and the car seems to shrink around you. The engine placed far back in the body maybe why.
As a place to sit and a car to look at the DBS wins.
I see you have a FGT in your profile?You can hussle an SLS at quite a rate though the twisties and the car seems to shrink around you. The engine placed far back in the body maybe why.
As a place to sit and a car to look at the DBS wins.
I still have a few spares from mine that i didnt sell with the car if interested?
AMTony said:
vpr said:
Yes, true, I remember that episode but it's just how I feel particularly when the DBS is an Auto, an auto in the true sense against the SLS which has a double clutch with no torque converter (although needs the factory GT2 software)
You can hussle an SLS at quite a rate though the twisties and the car seems to shrink around you. The engine placed far back in the body maybe why.
As a place to sit and a car to look at the DBS wins.
I see you have a FGT in your profile?You can hussle an SLS at quite a rate though the twisties and the car seems to shrink around you. The engine placed far back in the body maybe why.
As a place to sit and a car to look at the DBS wins.
I still have a few spares from mine that i didnt sell with the car if interested?
vpr said:
AMTony said:
vpr said:
Yes, true, I remember that episode but it's just how I feel particularly when the DBS is an Auto, an auto in the true sense against the SLS which has a double clutch with no torque converter (although needs the factory GT2 software)
You can hussle an SLS at quite a rate though the twisties and the car seems to shrink around you. The engine placed far back in the body maybe why.
As a place to sit and a car to look at the DBS wins.
I see you have a FGT in your profile?You can hussle an SLS at quite a rate though the twisties and the car seems to shrink around you. The engine placed far back in the body maybe why.
As a place to sit and a car to look at the DBS wins.
I still have a few spares from mine that i didnt sell with the car if interested?
What have you got Tony?
Jon39 said:
During the 1970s / 1980s, demand for E-types and DBs was easily met by supply, so prices were at their lowest.
At least we knew that afterwards.
All we need to know therefore, is do you have a scatter diagram in your consultant case, revealing which cars few people want now, but many people will want in the future?
1. The consultant answer is that was actually out of scope I'm afraid, but with a signed change order, I can arrange to explain that we don't know much more that your people already told us, but we will present it a lot better.At least we knew that afterwards.
All we need to know therefore, is do you have a scatter diagram in your consultant case, revealing which cars few people want now, but many people will want in the future?
2. The honest answer is that if I knew then I should keep quiet because the last thing I want is other people going after the same stuff - the price will go up and the choice will go down. So beware anyone telling you something is an investment... especially dealers (why don't they keep it then).
3. The real answer is that I too am looking for a very drivable fun modern car that will cost me nothing over five years, 10k miles (ie target zero gain/loss net of buying and selling costs and maintenance). That's what's called a safe way to hold money for five years as part of a pension portfolio (instead of cash/bonds). I have a Spyker that is doing that nicely (actually some upside which is nice) and my DB4 bought three years ago (actually likely a lot of upside, which is nice too). I think DBS Manual is fine but has already firmed up, maybe in a couple years depending what the DB11 variants look and drive like it'll drop off again. IMHO DBS is not universally considered a brilliant car so that will limit it. There are only two Gaydon Astons I would put in the safe can't lose category, one is the early DB9 Manual (cheap to buy, no plastic bits - design is classic) and the other I'm not saying commensurate with answer 2. above, (but think of something that reviewed really really well, is stonking fast and fun, handles well, is V12, manual, and only 300-ish RHD).
Edited by spyker138 on Saturday 11th February 04:39
spyker138 said:
IMHO DBS is not universally considered a brilliant car so that will limit it. There are only two Gaydon Astons I would put in the safe can't lose category, one is the early DB9 Manual (cheap to buy, no plastic bits - design is classic) and the other I'm not saying commensurate with answer 2. above, (but think of something that reviewed really really well, is stonking fast and fun, handles well, is V12, manual, and only 300-ish RHD).
First and foremost I purchased my car last June to drive it and drive it I do. Indeed Mrs Toms tells me this morning that I will have to use it on Monday as other two cars are needed. Snow is forecast for Monday. So long as I feel it's safe to get to work and back it will be used. The fact that prices have risen is completely immaterial unless you are planning on selling which I am not. I just join in the forum as I own a DBS.
However your comment above is a little confusing. You mention your DB4. Are prices on these rising because they are universally considered a brilliant car? Genuine question.
As far as DBS/V12V are concerned I suspect when I'm long since gone there will be plenty of customers for both
AMDBSVNick said:
First and foremost I purchased my car last June to drive it and drive it I do. Indeed Mrs Toms tells me this morning that I will have to use it on Monday as other two cars are needed. Snow is forecast for Monday. So long as I feel it's safe to get to work and back it will be used.
Terrific - I agree, people on the whole should buy what they love and drive the hell out of them. My circumstance is slightly different - I moved to the US and now keep a few cars in the UK for holidays and as a pension pot. So I buy with a view to enjoying and not losing money (investment gain is nice to have, but not the objective). So I won't buy something that still has to depreciate a lot, and take a five to ten year view.AMDBSVNick said:
However your comment above is a little confusing. You mention your DB4. Are prices on these rising because they are universally considered a brilliant car? Genuine question.
The DB4 is beautiful and is great to drive. Bought one as it was undervalued vs DB5 and contemporary Ferraris. I use it rigorously, even camp in it at LM...
spyker138 said:
... and now keep a few cars in the UK for holidays and as a pension pot.
For me, attempting to use classic cars as a pension pot has one major drawback.
I tend to become fond of my cars, so cannot bear to sell them.
Therefore no income at all, and no capital return from the asset.
There is some enjoyment from owning and driving though.
Your DB4 is beautiful. How will you bear to part with that car?
Edited by Jon39 on Saturday 11th February 14:33
Agreed, buying them for that reason is not a wise move as like property values will always fluctuate and usually in the wrong direction.
The only winners are those that have owned these types of cars either from new or bought many years ago when prices were low. Now is the time to sell and make a killing.
For me, attempting to use classic cars as a pension pot has one major drawback.
I tend to become fond of my cars, so cannot bear to sell them.
Therefore no income at all, and no capital return from the asset.
There is some enjoyment from owning and driving though.
Your DB4 is beautiful. How will you bear to part with that car?
The only winners are those that have owned these types of cars either from new or bought many years ago when prices were low. Now is the time to sell and make a killing.
Jon39 said:
For me, attempting to use classic cars as a pension pot has one major drawback.
I tend to become fond of my cars, so cannot bear to sell them.
Therefore no income at all, and no capital return from the asset.
There is some enjoyment from owning and driving though.
Your DB4 is beautiful. How will you bear to part with that car?
Edited by Jon39 on Saturday 11th February 14:33
Car mad enthusiast said:
Agreed, buying them for that reason is not a wise move as like property values will always fluctuate and usually in the wrong direction.
The only winners are those that have owned these types of cars either from new or bought many years ago when prices were low. Now is the time to sell and make a killing.
The only winners are those that have owned these types of cars either from new or bought many years ago when prices were low. Now is the time to sell and make a killing.
Each to their own. As part of a portfolio, over the long term, with no capital gains tax, SOME classic cars makes sense; and you can drive them, look at them, polish them and talk about them; none of which you can do with paper investments. Some modern cars absolutely don't - DBS who knows?. But be sensible with the right car, build in cost of selling, dealer margin, maintenance etc and then 'not losing money' is a sensible objective. Bit like a Gilt or premium Bond. Even with second home stamp duty etc then buying property to rent over a ten year term makes a lot of sense, if you have the cash (borrowing to do it does not make sense to me). For some of those in their early-mid fifties with cash (people buying Astons), seeking to maybe retire in ten years, then cars are a less boring option, that's all.
Having said all that, there are a lot of people out there reading the magazines and throwing money at mediocre cars thinking it's all going up forever. As with most things once it's being discussed in the Daily Mail its too late.
Agreed, each to their own. If you have the spare cash lying around and a decent place in which to store and maintain them then with some particular cars its always worth the punt as long as the market favours them for as long as possible.
Each to their own. As part of a portfolio, over the long term, with no capital gains tax, SOME classic cars makes sense; and you can drive them, look at them, polish them and talk about them; none of which you can do with paper investments. Some modern cars absolutely don't - DBS who knows?. But be sensible with the right car, build in cost of selling, dealer margin, maintenance etc and then 'not losing money' is a sensible objective. Bit like a Gilt or premium Bond. Even with second home stamp duty etc then buying property to rent over a ten year term makes a lot of sense, if you have the cash (borrowing to do it does not make sense to me). For some of those in their early-mid fifties with cash (people buying Astons), seeking to maybe retire in ten years, then cars are a less boring option, that's all.
Having said all that, there are a lot of people out there reading the magazines and throwing money at mediocre cars thinking it's all going up forever. As with most things once it's being discussed in the Daily Mail its too late.
spyker138 said:
Each to their own. As part of a portfolio, over the long term, with no capital gains tax, SOME classic cars makes sense; and you can drive them, look at them, polish them and talk about them; none of which you can do with paper investments. Some modern cars absolutely don't - DBS who knows?. But be sensible with the right car, build in cost of selling, dealer margin, maintenance etc and then 'not losing money' is a sensible objective. Bit like a Gilt or premium Bond. Even with second home stamp duty etc then buying property to rent over a ten year term makes a lot of sense, if you have the cash (borrowing to do it does not make sense to me). For some of those in their early-mid fifties with cash (people buying Astons), seeking to maybe retire in ten years, then cars are a less boring option, that's all.
Having said all that, there are a lot of people out there reading the magazines and throwing money at mediocre cars thinking it's all going up forever. As with most things once it's being discussed in the Daily Mail its too late.
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