New rear brake discs and pads on V8 Vantage

[Lunablack]

Jockman said:

Would be interesting to know if I should use these type of products next time I need, Tony, or if there is something I'm missing. From £270 down to £120 plus any vat differential, it's a big saving but I'm not going to buy them if they are less effective.

I don't believe for one minute these parts will be anything but the same as supplied by your local friendly dealer.... The sooner they cotton onto the fact that the Internet exists, and enthusiasts pass on buying tips to each other the better...

No one objects to AM dealers making a good profit, but when they're taking the piss they don't deserve to make the sale..

Castrol Edge was quoted to me at £18 per litre 10 litres = £180
I had it delivered to my house at just under £8 pl....... £10 litres = £80....

Now if the dealer had offered it at £10 or even £12 he'd have had my business and made a profit... As it was he got sweet FA..

Go figure

[michael gould]

Tony V12V said:

I wasn't suggesting or implying that the Pagid pads specifically are inferior just that SOME parts from SOME large factor chains can be like that. I KNOW that there are two standards on CERTAIN clutches for instance. Some are produced for UK/ western europe and another batch are for eastern europe. Big issue with many of our local suppliers because they cannot compete on prices.

Ultimately I was wanting to help out and share my trade knowledge

Edited by Tony V12V on Friday 10th August 16:03

Well I've just googled you so you should know . But it's looking good and for me, this is what these forums are all about apart from the friendly banter

[AMDBSNick]

michael gould said:

To Jockman.....what year was the little margaux

2005

[Jockman]

AMDBSNick said:

2005

Chateau D'Angludet 2005 - didn't want to irk Mr G

[Jockman]

Tony V12V said:

Ultimately I was wanting to help out and share my trade knowledge ]

And it is very much appreciated matey

So long as the feedback on these lower priced pads is positive then I see no reason to pay more in future. All industries have been affected by cheaper foreign imports, mine included, and I accept that some will be of high quality and others not so

[michael gould]

Jockman said:

AMDBSNick said:

2005

Chateau D'Angludet 2005 - didn't want to irk Mr G

2005 classic year for claret !!

Just drank an excellent bottle of Bordeaux , courtesy of Sir Macas cellar .......1989 Grand Cru Classe .........and a bottle of Chateau Palmer 2002. ( from my cellar) which was a bit disappointing ........never mind at least we have cheap brake pads

Edited by michael gould on Saturday 11th August 11:00

[Baron Von Alders]

Are any special tools required to push (wind?) the pistons back into the calipers when changing?

[mikey k]

No , just don't over flow the fluid from the cylinder

[Lunablack]

Baron Von Alders said:

Are any special tools required to push (wind?) the pistons back into the calipers when changing?

S Mikey says.... Keep an eye on the fluid level in the master resovoir....

Remove the cap, and if it's full to the top you'll probably have to remove some before pushing the pistons back....

Other than that, just make sure you push them back nice and square

[Baron Von Alders]

Lunablack said:

Baron Von Alders said:

Are any special tools required to push (wind?) the pistons back into the calipers when changing?

S Mikey says.... Keep an eye on the fluid level in the master resovoir....

Remove the cap, and if it's full to the top you'll probably have to remove some before pushing the pistons back....

Other than that, just make sure you push them back nice and square

Ta, sounds like a fairly straightforward diy job then

[aMb]

It was an easy job, if you follow the procedure from the workshop manual the calipers do not need removing:

Removal
1. Raise vehicle on ramp.
2. Remove road wheel/s
3. Remove pad wear sensors.
4. Remove bleed nipple dust caps.
5. Fit bleed bottle.
6. Loosen bleed nipples, push pistons into callipers, tighten
bleed nipples.
7. Remove bleed bottle.
8. Fit bleed nipple dust caps
9. Remove brake pad retaining pins and anti-rattle springs.
10. Remove pads and shims from callipers.

Installation
1. Clean components (callipers, pins, shims, springs)
2. Apply anti-seize compound to pads, pins and shims.
3. Install pads and shims to calliper.
4. Install retaining pad pins and springs to callipers
5. Install pad wear sensors.
6. Pump brake pedal.
7. Top-up brake fluid.
8. Install road wheel/s
9. Lower vehicle on ramp.

Here's the bedding in procedure from Pagid, from what I read these pads are quite particularly to how they've been bed in - however they of course say it should be done on a race track

Geometric Alignment Of Pad Surface To Disc Surface (basic bedding in)


4-6 brake applications with medium pedal pressure from approx 90mph to 50mph, not allowing wheels to lock. (No brake dragging)

Allow for a distance of 300 - 400metres between brake applications for cooling period.

Pads should not reach temperatures above 400°C during initial bedding in. Check that pad
surfaces have at least 80% contact with disc before allowing more heat into pad surface.

Immediately followed by :

Bedding In At High Speed


1 brake application with medium to high pedal pressure from approx 110mph to 50mph
without allowing wheels to lock.

Allow 3-4 recovery brake applications with light pedal pressure.

Repeat high speed applications including recovery applications another 2-3 times.

Allow a cooling off distance of 500 metres between high speed applications.

[DangerMonkey]

BOOM! £117 + 5 quid next day delivery

[michael gould]

Result.........another Aston Martin bullst price bubble burst !

[BingoBob]

This is really interesting. Are any of you that have had the ECP pagid pads likely to be properly putting them through their paces?

The reason I ask is that Pagid also make completely poo pads for around that price for other cars. I'm thinking in particular about a certain Audi where the OE pads are Pagids and are about £300 usual retail, but you can get Pagids for them from ECP for about £80. Difference is that the ECP ones don't work well. Very quick to fade and catch fire. OK for normal road use, but not for any fast driving.

/BUT\ what is interesting here is that the ECP ones for the Aston are stamped 4-2-2 which is clearly the denomination for their performance pads and, as previously established, the Aston OE compound.

Will be very interested to see what the feedback on these pads is.

[Jockman]

The plot thickens

I also await feedback.

[Lunablack]

I'm extremely unlikely to put them through their paces, but if they're the same as already fitted.... They'll be up to the job

[michael gould]

In some ways those of us who have fitted pads recently are hoping in a schadenfreude type of way that there is something inferior about the pads from Europarts......but I doubt it !

[Jockman]

michael gould said:

In some ways those of us who have fitted pads recently are hoping in a schadenfreude type of way that there is something inferior about the pads from Europarts......but I doubt it !

Nah !!

Impressed with the lingo Michael - I thought the only German inside you was a bit of bratwurst !!

I've recently had fronts and backs done by JCT600. I paid between £250 and £270 + vat in each case. Labour was £85 + vat in each case.

As I cannot turn back the clock I am keeping my fingers crossed on the ECP Pagids and have bookmarked this thread for future reference - ie 3 years time

[BingoBob]

askjockman.com referencing is slow, but thorough.

What we really need is a psycho loony to put some of these Pagids on the front then track the car to see if they work.

[DangerMonkey]

Had them fitted yesterday down at Bridge Mill. Great service. Absolutely identical to the ones that came off. Old wear sensors were in good condition too so only one hour's labour....reeesult!