V12V Bamford Rose upgrade - cat is out of the bag!!

V12V Bamford Rose upgrade - cat is out of the bag!!

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johng39

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160 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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yeti said:
That'd be ideal for outrunning the Sweeney after you've done a blag!

Pleased with those numbers? I reckon you should be! Are these still the standard short inlet manifolds rather than long-tract DB9 ones, or are they going on with the cams?
That is only exhausts. Cams tomorrow, inlets Monday.

George H

14,707 posts

164 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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George H said:
whoami said:
The best sound actually comes from the safety car these days.
I love the medical car most of all... C63 estate sliding about everywhere cloud9
Just like this video I took in Valencia last year http://s1169.photobucket.com/albums/r519/george_h4...
cloud9

AMDBSNick

6,997 posts

162 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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johng39 said:
cams tomorrow
What time me ole china

johng39

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160 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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AMDBSNick said:
What time me ole china
Lunchtime run on the RR. They went in early to get the work done. I believe that they worked past midnight on Wednesday too......... nutters.

Molly GT

2,358 posts

154 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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johng39 said:
I believe that they worked past midnight on Wednesday too......... nutters.
Yep, strange nocturnal habits of BR which resulted in us getting an alarm call from the AM tracking service in the middle of the night on one occasion reporting the cars whereabouts which turned out to be a test drive on the Fosseway. Fair credit to the tracking guys tho' - they had been told the car was with a garage but they still reported unusual activity (even if it did cause near heart-failure to those of us thinking it had been stolen from BR!) eek

johng39

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Friday 12th October 2012
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OK, just received a text from Mike.

Exhaust and Cams now

565BHP @ 6900RPM
599Nm @ 6090 RPM

+58BHP over standard
+43Nm over standard

Inlets scrapped and some graphs to compare.

Edited by johng39 on Friday 12th October 19:48

robgt

2,585 posts

162 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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Wow! John I am really looking forward to seeing and hearing it. Should be a real beast!

The Pits

4,289 posts

240 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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Sounds very similar to standard on the video (no bad thing by the way)

Impressive gains. Should be an absolute monster now.

Peak torque seems unusally high at 6k?

Is the cut out still set at 7k?

CatalystV12V

715 posts

181 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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OMG!!!!! smile

johng39

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160 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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The Pits said:
Sounds very similar to standard on the video (no bad thing by the way)

Impressive gains. Should be an absolute monster now.

Peak torque seems unusally high at 6k?

Is the cut out still set at 7k?
Standard on V12V is 5750, so moved up 250 rpm. Rev limit 7500 biggrin. Remember it has gained over 40 Nm across the range also.

For me the whole idea was not to change the noise, only make it a little louder. Mike says that the crackle on over run and in between gear changes is fantastic. I couldn't speak much as he was having difficulty due to his face muscles aching from the stupid grin.

robgt

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162 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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Morning John , how has Mike achieved the power gain without it sounding like A F1 refugee? Mine in 2 of it's modes is shall we say fruity! Give it the beans and things move to another noise dimension!!
Nice though.

Guycord

744 posts

173 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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johng39 said:
OK, just received a text from Mike.

Exhaust and Cams now

565BHP @ 6900RPM
599Nm @ 6090 RPM

Inlets scrapped and some graphs to compare.
John, do I read correctly that you are not putting the DB9 Inlet Manifolds on now? If so what was the problem/decision on that?

I am now contemplating the paradigm-shift these cars will have. The gap in IMHO between a 4.7 V8V and the 6.0 V12V is hugh with a (top of head) 90bhp delta. Cant remember the torque delta, but to move another 60bhp out again..... biggrinbiggrin

Cant wait...but unfortunately going to have to!





Olympus

6 posts

139 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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I wonder what BR can do for the new Vanquish, any ideas yet?

johng39

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Saturday 13th October 2012
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Guycord said:
John, do I read correctly that you are not putting the DB9 Inlet Manifolds on now? If so what was the problem/decision on that?

I am now contemplating the paradigm-shift these cars will have. The gap in IMHO between a 4.7 V8V and the 6.0 V12V is hugh with a (top of head) 90bhp delta. Cant remember the torque delta, but to move another 60bhp out again..... biggrinbiggrin

Cant wait...but unfortunately going to have to!
Morning Guy.

The DB9 manifolds would probably lose 20 bhp and gain 20Nm only in the midrange. Mike likened it to a diesel character rather than what we now have. One of the things I want is a car that pulls all the way to the redline and now we have it.

yeti

10,523 posts

275 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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Olympus said:
I wonder what BR can do for the new Vanquish, any ideas yet?
The problem with that is that they need a test car. Not sure any new 310quish owners will want to volunteer their cars for it just yet..?

I would imagine that the cats and manifolds they could design could be as effective as they are here. Aston have gone with knock sensing and variable camshaft timing to make the new power as they still have to meet global emissions and noise levels e.g. that of California. BR mods are all about the engine and exhaust breathing, in and out and comply with the UK emissions regs, i.e. that of the MOT test. And as we know, there are no noise regs on the MOT wink

Cockers, that is a fantastic result - when do you collect? This may well be another good use of the word EPIC I think wink

AdamV8V

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156 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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yeti said:
Cockers, that is a fantastic result - when do you collect?)
John, you have mail.

johng39

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Saturday 13th October 2012
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AdamV8V said:
yeti said:
Cockers, that is a fantastic result - when do you collect?)
John, you have mail.
Tuesday.

Adam, you have a reply with my number.

jonby

5,357 posts

157 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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Sounds amazing John

What have you done to the cats on your system ? Have the ones 'downstream' near the backbox remained untouched ? And the ones upstream in the manifolds/collectors that you have changed for the BR system, removed ?

johng39

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Saturday 13th October 2012
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jonby said:
Sounds amazing John

What have you done to the cats on your system ? Have the ones 'downstream' near the backbox remained untouched ? And the ones upstream in the manifolds/collectors that you have changed for the BR system, removed ?
Cats removed in manifolds, 200 cell cats to replace the 2 main ones downstream of manifolds. Get your new one booked in biggrin cheers..

yeti

10,523 posts

275 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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Have you kept the standard DBS/V12V inlet manifolds or have BR come up with something more exciting? I know they have the design ready to go as it is to be fitted to my 6.5.