Vantage or F Type ?
Discussion
George H said:
Or to put it another way, a poor mans Aston.
Are Mercedes still driven as staff cars by the Nazis, Maseratis rust in a year and it's instant death as soon as the turbo kicks in on a 911? Your thinking is out of date. 
If it was my choice... I'd have the top-spec F-Type over a Vantage - but this is based on having driven neither. I like the look, the tech, the heritage of the F. But I am a confirmed second-hand car buyer and second hand Astons are a great deal
Top spec F-Type or a used DBS/V12V... well that's a no-brainer
Anyway, there's a new Vantage on the way hopefully. But did all the decent engineers leave Aston to go to Jaguar though? We'll see
Arjxh56 said:
I have just taken a look at the new F type and i am VERY tempted to swap my vantage for the F type V8S ??
I think it looks a better, performance stats are better, the 'tech' and 'spec' looks better..
I know you lot are die hard AM fans but have you checked out the F?
Speaking relative to some other sports cars, of course I can see the similarities between F type & Jag - snug 2 seater roadsters, British, large (ish) engines, etc. Weight not wholely unsimilar. I suspect real world performance of the V8 Jag and V8S AM may not be wholly unsimilarI think it looks a better, performance stats are better, the 'tech' and 'spec' looks better..
I know you lot are die hard AM fans but have you checked out the F?
Having said that, real world price of the V8S is not that unsimilar to the Jag. I think the interior of the Jag, whilst looking more modern, actually looks less special, more generic & less exclusive. F-type has more tech, but poorer trim options, for instance about 4 different colour seats rather than about 14 in the aston
And I am sure the V8S will offer a more hardcore driving experience through a combination of the very different gearbox and what I imagine is far firmer suspension.
So it wouldn't appeal to me. But can very definitely see why it would to some
yeti said:
Are Mercedes still driven as staff cars by the Nazis, Maseratis rust in a year and it's instant death as soon as the turbo kicks in on a 911? Your thinking is out of date.
Not really. I'd say the only reason you would buy an XK is because you couldn't afford/afford to run a DB9. I'd say the same with this F Type... only difference is, they're pretty much the same price by the time you've added a few toys.Couple of things put me of the F-type.
First of all: The sheer size of the thing. Had expected it to be smaller.
Second: Weight. Don't know how they've managed to make it this heavy.
Third of all: No manual 'box. Shame.
Fourth: Build quality wasn't exactly impressive on the models at the Paris motor show. The 2012 Vantage is just better.
Fifth: Price. It's a lot more expensive than I thought it would be.
First of all: The sheer size of the thing. Had expected it to be smaller.
Second: Weight. Don't know how they've managed to make it this heavy.
Third of all: No manual 'box. Shame.
Fourth: Build quality wasn't exactly impressive on the models at the Paris motor show. The 2012 Vantage is just better.
Fifth: Price. It's a lot more expensive than I thought it would be.
I like the look of it....should be a used bargain in a few years once the novelty of this years new car has worn off
I dont think Id choose it instead of a Vantage though, I just prefer the looks of the Vantage
the price differential is getting a bit close , certainly will be a tough sell on many buyers i.e. a new Jag or a 6-12 month old Vantage for same money.....
I dont think Id choose it instead of a Vantage though, I just prefer the looks of the Vantage
the price differential is getting a bit close , certainly will be a tough sell on many buyers i.e. a new Jag or a 6-12 month old Vantage for same money.....
George H said:
Not really. I'd say the only reason you would buy an XK is because you couldn't afford/afford to run a DB9. I'd say the same with this F Type... only difference is, they're pretty much the same price by the time you've added a few toys.
Sometimes I think you might actually believe some of the s
te you post on here....... amazing really...
yeti said:
Are Mercedes still driven as staff cars by the Nazis, Maseratis rust in a year and it's instant death as soon as the turbo kicks in on a 911? Your thinking is out of date.
If it was my choice... I'd have the top-spec F-Type over a Vantage - but this is based on having driven neither. I like the look, the tech, the heritage of the F. But I am a confirmed second-hand car buyer and second hand Astons are a great deal
Top spec F-Type or a used DBS/V12V... well that's a no-brainer
Anyway, there's a new Vantage on the way hopefully. But did all the decent engineers leave Aston to go to Jaguar though? We'll see
Some Greeks probably believe the quote about Mercedes drivers is accurate !!If it was my choice... I'd have the top-spec F-Type over a Vantage - but this is based on having driven neither. I like the look, the tech, the heritage of the F. But I am a confirmed second-hand car buyer and second hand Astons are a great deal
Top spec F-Type or a used DBS/V12V... well that's a no-brainer
Anyway, there's a new Vantage on the way hopefully. But did all the decent engineers leave Aston to go to Jaguar though? We'll see
I have no doubt it will be a better car but will it be a more desirable car ? answer No for all the reasons stated .
jonby said:
pilgrim7777 said:
I did not think it gave the same driving experience as the Vantage. A nice car though....
I didn't realise there were any F type demonstrators yet ?Should be available to drive around April next year, but that is still to be confirmed and order slots to be allocated etc.
Just spent a couple of hours doing some online training / tests on it this afternoon and it really should put the cat amongst the pigeons with the Aston V8, Boxster, 911, etc and more importantly the up coming Audi R4, Merc SLC which will fill out this newly formed mid-size sports car bracket above Caymans, Z4's and SLK's and under the XKR, DB9, R8, BMW M6...
Some great new "non Jaguar" toys on the F-Type like switchable active exhausts (internally called the "loud button", how un-Jaguar is that?!). Huge brake upgrade options. Driver tuneable suspension, diff and gearbox. Oh, and a bright metallic orange paint option which I can't wait to see.
Just can't wait to get my hands on one at the launch training (time and location T.B.C. Unfortunately).
I posted this on another forum:
I like the F-Type, but I don't love it, at least not yet. I'll wait to see it in the flesh, but I agree with the comments that it looks a bit too short, and maybe a little too tall. In a few of the pictures it looks really great, but in most it looks "merely" very good. I like the tail lights that recall the Series 1 E-Type. I don't like the heavy-looking bar that bisects the grille. Perhaps the Coupe will look better. IMO, like many modern convertible versions of coupes, the A-posts are too big, too tall, and they start to curve at the top towards a roof that doesn't exist, so they look abruptly cut off (Aston handles this much better than most). In any event, IMO it doesn't look anywhere near as good as the V8V, inside or out.
I don't think it will be a big threat to the V8V for many of the same reasons that people buy the Aston over a 911 -- or an XKR. Certainly, the V8 F-Type will be faster, but as ever, it's about more than just what's fastest. The V8V is special in a way that the F-Type isn't, and I don't mean to insult the Jag when I say that. I would be very interested in an F-Type if it becomes available with a manual gearbox (without which it's not even a consideration for me), but not over a V8V. The quality of materials, the level of craftsmanship, the attention to detail, the much lower production, etc., make the Aston more of a special thing than the F-Type will be. I think it will do very well, and first impressions make me think it deserves to. But I don't see it as a direct alternative to an Aston Martin. I certainly have no desire to replace my V8V with one, although I'd love to have one alongside -- if it's offered with a manual 'box.
To me, one of the things that appeals about the V8V is that it has virtually all of the special things and the details that make the DB9, Virage and DBS so desirable -- the attention to detail, materials and craftsmanship that look right at home in a $200k - 300K car are right there on the less-expensive V8V. Absolutely nothing can match the V8V in this respect at its price. Combined with a great V8 and a genuinely great drive, IMO the V8V actually offers excellent value for money.
I like the F-Type, but I don't love it, at least not yet. I'll wait to see it in the flesh, but I agree with the comments that it looks a bit too short, and maybe a little too tall. In a few of the pictures it looks really great, but in most it looks "merely" very good. I like the tail lights that recall the Series 1 E-Type. I don't like the heavy-looking bar that bisects the grille. Perhaps the Coupe will look better. IMO, like many modern convertible versions of coupes, the A-posts are too big, too tall, and they start to curve at the top towards a roof that doesn't exist, so they look abruptly cut off (Aston handles this much better than most). In any event, IMO it doesn't look anywhere near as good as the V8V, inside or out.
I don't think it will be a big threat to the V8V for many of the same reasons that people buy the Aston over a 911 -- or an XKR. Certainly, the V8 F-Type will be faster, but as ever, it's about more than just what's fastest. The V8V is special in a way that the F-Type isn't, and I don't mean to insult the Jag when I say that. I would be very interested in an F-Type if it becomes available with a manual gearbox (without which it's not even a consideration for me), but not over a V8V. The quality of materials, the level of craftsmanship, the attention to detail, the much lower production, etc., make the Aston more of a special thing than the F-Type will be. I think it will do very well, and first impressions make me think it deserves to. But I don't see it as a direct alternative to an Aston Martin. I certainly have no desire to replace my V8V with one, although I'd love to have one alongside -- if it's offered with a manual 'box.
To me, one of the things that appeals about the V8V is that it has virtually all of the special things and the details that make the DB9, Virage and DBS so desirable -- the attention to detail, materials and craftsmanship that look right at home in a $200k - 300K car are right there on the less-expensive V8V. Absolutely nothing can match the V8V in this respect at its price. Combined with a great V8 and a genuinely great drive, IMO the V8V actually offers excellent value for money.
spice said:
Aston all day long , that's why we do not drive XKR's, ano no manual available
90%+ of DB9/DBS was auto, and a much more basic box than the Jaguar. Anyone know what the manual/ASM split is for the Vantage? 50/50? Many bought thinking ASM was automatic as well...
Don't think the Jags 8spd auto will stop sales, seems Aston are going the same way
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