Vantage or F Type ?
Discussion
yeti said:
Not good George - best wishes for a speedy recovery!
They've taken most of the Quinine out of tonic water these days. I blame the Coca-Cola corporation.
Hendricks gin, Fever Tree tonic water and a slice of cucumber will see him back in rude health in no time
Bombay Saphire gin is preferred actually! Why cucumber though? Never heard of that. Slice of lime for me They've taken most of the Quinine out of tonic water these days. I blame the Coca-Cola corporation.
Hendricks gin, Fever Tree tonic water and a slice of cucumber will see him back in rude health in no time
Hendrick's gin works really well with cucumber, in fact it is almost compulsory to be served as such, as it is distilled with botanicals specifically designed to compliment that taste, then it has essence of cucumber leaves & rose added to it after distillation. Because of this addition after distillation it is not a 'London Dry Gin' in case you were wondering.
It is a most unusual gin but is not for everyone. Delicious!
It is a most unusual gin but is not for everyone. Delicious!
I really miss some response from people who really did see AND touched the car. As you can read below, that was the biggest dissatisfier for me from the F-type when I see and touched it in real-life. The XK(R) is much better build, and the F-type, again, looks great, but is in a different league and more on Boxster/Z4/TT level regarding build quality/material use (and even that it does not match, but hopefully the 2 cars I did see were pre-production models).
AWV12 said:
How can anyone compare a F-type with a V8V?
Did see the F-type in the flesh (Paris) and it looks great, design wise it i good from outside and inside, but the build quality is really not comparable. It is even not on Boxster or Z4 level imho. On performance level, the V6 models are comparable with the top-end TT, Z4 and SLK and Boxster, and of course the V8 again stands out from these. Originally Jaguar was planning to compete with these German roadsters, but they got too arrogant imho to put the wrong price tag on it.
I was considering to trade in my S5 cabrio for a F=type, but seeing the (lesser) quality and the ouragous price, I think the RS5 cabrio would be a better bet.
But changing my Aston for this F-type......? As written by some one else, even a XK-RS could not convince me to do that, but that would be a more logical comparison.
Lastly: the F-type has only a classical auto box (with torque convertor) and that alone can not compete with a good manual or a sequential Sportshift (or even a DSG) box.
Did see the F-type in the flesh (Paris) and it looks great, design wise it i good from outside and inside, but the build quality is really not comparable. It is even not on Boxster or Z4 level imho. On performance level, the V6 models are comparable with the top-end TT, Z4 and SLK and Boxster, and of course the V8 again stands out from these. Originally Jaguar was planning to compete with these German roadsters, but they got too arrogant imho to put the wrong price tag on it.
I was considering to trade in my S5 cabrio for a F=type, but seeing the (lesser) quality and the ouragous price, I think the RS5 cabrio would be a better bet.
But changing my Aston for this F-type......? As written by some one else, even a XK-RS could not convince me to do that, but that would be a more logical comparison.
Lastly: the F-type has only a classical auto box (with torque convertor) and that alone can not compete with a good manual or a sequential Sportshift (or even a DSG) box.
AWV12 said:
How can anyone compare a F-type with a V8V?
I was considering to trade in my S5 cabrio for a F=type, but seeing the (lesser) quality and the ouragous price, I think the RS5 cabrio would be a better bet.
Lastly: the F-type has only a classical auto box (with torque convertor) and that alone can not compete with a good manual or a sequential Sportshift (or even a DSG) box.
If you think the S5 cabriolet is a good example of a soft-top then perhaps you would be better off with another audi.I was considering to trade in my S5 cabrio for a F=type, but seeing the (lesser) quality and the ouragous price, I think the RS5 cabrio would be a better bet.
Lastly: the F-type has only a classical auto box (with torque convertor) and that alone can not compete with a good manual or a sequential Sportshift (or even a DSG) box.
Edited by AWV12 on Tuesday 23 October 21:20
I understand why some people prefer a manual car, but the modern "classical" auto box is a long way from the old three-speeders of years ago and with paddle shifts there's not that much difference between other forms of semi-auto box.
mph said:
If you think the S5 cabriolet is a good example of a soft-top then perhaps you would be better off with another audi.
I understand why some people prefer a manual car, but the modern "classical" auto box is a long way from the old three-speeders of years ago and with paddle shifts there's not that much difference between other forms of semi-auto box.
technical question that I don't know the answer to and hope somebody with more technical knowledge can answer, but doesn't a torque converter auto mean less efficiency in getting power from gears to the back axle? My understanding is that a PDK style box has clutch plates with mechanical assist and the efficiency is the same as a manual box? I know my wife's Z4 full auto loses a lot to a friends Z4 same engine) in terms of acceleration.So even new design full auto boxes will not be as efficient as a mechanical assist box such as PDK, ASM etc?I understand why some people prefer a manual car, but the modern "classical" auto box is a long way from the old three-speeders of years ago and with paddle shifts there's not that much difference between other forms of semi-auto box.
Autobox probably gives a faster gear change for a lot of drivers. Just try doing a full power 2-3 change when looking where you are going and juggling revs. But will also depend on box, weight and power. With low power the torque converters seem to soak up engine power.
Biggest challenge in DB9 is getting the balance in a corner. Staying neutral from turn in to apex is really tricky because the torque converter muddies the direct connection between accelerator and wheels. Ok when braking or accelerating but much more challenging to carry higher speeds through the corners. Sounds like another justification for manual DBS
Biggest challenge in DB9 is getting the balance in a corner. Staying neutral from turn in to apex is really tricky because the torque converter muddies the direct connection between accelerator and wheels. Ok when braking or accelerating but much more challenging to carry higher speeds through the corners. Sounds like another justification for manual DBS
mph said:
I understand why some people prefer a manual car, but the modern "classical" auto box is a long way from the old three-speeders of years ago and with paddle shifts there's not that much difference between other forms of semi-auto box.
This is why, for me, I still wouldn't be interested if it were offered with a paddle-shift manual either -- the driver is still merely flipping a switch. For me, it needs a gear lever and a clutch pedal. Johnfrancis said:
A sports car has GOT to be manual...automatics ( and you can call them by all sorts of names) are for women drivers.
Ask, why don't they make a V12 vantage any other way?, it is after all, the ultimate Aston Sports Car.
I did ask and Aston confirmed that they would only sell the V12 Vantage to male driving gods.Ask, why don't they make a V12 vantage any other way?, it is after all, the ultimate Aston Sports Car.
I was surprised too.
jakesmith said:
I know this is an aston forum and you love your cars but subjectively, despite having the cash and a lifelong desire to buy one, it was a poor car compared to its peers
The Aston I tried at a main dealers few weeks ago put me off the marque to the point that I bought a 997 c4s that I had previously thought too boring... The vantage was so badly put together. The engineering is a joke. Unreadable speedo, offset pedals, horrible stuff clutch and gear stick, terrible switchgear including an indicator stalk that felt like it would snap every time, unreadable radio display, loose trim, buzzes and rattles from 360 degrees around me, very thirsty even on a clear run, unusable satnav, seat heaters and heater that were completely inadequate on a mild day with roof open, not fast enough, didn't sound that good unless under a bridge.
The xkr was solid inside, comfy, full of tech like big screen sat nav, fast enough to actually see off cars like m3's which the vantage can't, and for the same cash could get one 3 years newer. I didn't go for it as it felt too big and I also feared for my license as its auto only and manual gives me more prompts to back off when accelerating.
The Aston was the most dissapointing car I ever drove and my boxster felt so much nicer afterwards. Bought a c4s in the end which is fine, the r8 was nice too but I wanted a convertible.
The Aston is great for a special euro trip or something and I don't deny their cachet and prestige and appearance is unequalled but as a car i felt it was poor compared to the 997, jag, r8.
Keep an eye on your ims, rms scored bores ovalised bores, leaking rads leaking aircon etc etc etc....and boredomThe Aston I tried at a main dealers few weeks ago put me off the marque to the point that I bought a 997 c4s that I had previously thought too boring... The vantage was so badly put together. The engineering is a joke. Unreadable speedo, offset pedals, horrible stuff clutch and gear stick, terrible switchgear including an indicator stalk that felt like it would snap every time, unreadable radio display, loose trim, buzzes and rattles from 360 degrees around me, very thirsty even on a clear run, unusable satnav, seat heaters and heater that were completely inadequate on a mild day with roof open, not fast enough, didn't sound that good unless under a bridge.
The xkr was solid inside, comfy, full of tech like big screen sat nav, fast enough to actually see off cars like m3's which the vantage can't, and for the same cash could get one 3 years newer. I didn't go for it as it felt too big and I also feared for my license as its auto only and manual gives me more prompts to back off when accelerating.
The Aston was the most dissapointing car I ever drove and my boxster felt so much nicer afterwards. Bought a c4s in the end which is fine, the r8 was nice too but I wanted a convertible.
The Aston is great for a special euro trip or something and I don't deny their cachet and prestige and appearance is unequalled but as a car i felt it was poor compared to the 997, jag, r8.
Johnfrancis said:
Keep an eye on your ims, rms scored bores ovalised bores, leaking rads leaking aircon etc etc etc....and boredom
Aye funny comments. My brother has a 911 and found the clutch in the vantage to be rather light and the steering and gear change well weighted. Illegible displays? No problems here or for anyone else who has driven my car - maybe jakesmith needs his eyes testing.....stanwan said:
Johnfrancis said:
Keep an eye on your ims, rms scored bores ovalised bores, leaking rads leaking aircon etc etc etc....and boredom
Aye funny comments. My brother has a 911 and found the clutch in the vantage to be rather light and the steering and gear change well weighted. Illegible displays? No problems here or for anyone else who has driven my car - maybe jakesmith needs his eyes testing.....mph said:
If you think the S5 cabriolet is a good example of a soft-top then perhaps you would be better off with another audi.
I understand why some people prefer a manual car, but the modern "classical" auto box is a long way from the old three-speeders of years ago and with paddle shifts there's not that much difference between other forms of semi-auto box.
The Audi S5 is a fast and comfort cabrio for cruising, not a sports car, so probably exactly like the Jag :-) I understand why some people prefer a manual car, but the modern "classical" auto box is a long way from the old three-speeders of years ago and with paddle shifts there's not that much difference between other forms of semi-auto box.
My DBS has a MANual gearbox, the only option in a real sportscar imho
The paddle shift with auto boxes that have torque convertors don't give such a fast responee and are there mostly for show (in sequential boxes like the Sporthift this is different, and it can indeed be faster than manual, but not very involving most of time).
Again, if you see and FEEL the F-type in real life, you will understand in which class it belongs.
Edited by AWV12 on Saturday 27th October 19:19
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