The Truth about Vantage clutches!
Poll: The Truth about Vantage clutches!
Total Members Polled: 214
Discussion
if we had the data for every Vantage produced to date, it might mean something
but on here you have the usual internet forum bias in that people usually come on forums looking for answers to problems....so support forums in general give a skewed view on a product. Thousands of others happy with the product may not even bother to search out others to tell them....
there were over 10,000 vantages in the world by 2008 and their owners are not on here.....
but on here you have the usual internet forum bias in that people usually come on forums looking for answers to problems....so support forums in general give a skewed view on a product. Thousands of others happy with the product may not even bother to search out others to tell them....
there were over 10,000 vantages in the world by 2008 and their owners are not on here.....
gibbon said:
This data has absolutely no meaning. A clutch is a consumable, and your above summary makes no reference to the use seen before failure.
True but I am only looking at the data on this thread - which is presumably why you have looked at it too. If one assumes there will be a similar proportion of clutch abusers in the various incarnations, that becomes a constant that can be applied to make the data at least of a little interest. I did say the sample was small. And I wouldn't base any judgement on it at all - I just think it is interesting that ASM1 isn't coming out as badly as the general bashing it gets on the forum might have one believe. notsaV8V said:
True but I am only looking at the data on this thread - which is presumably why you have looked at it too. If one assumes there will be a similar proportion of clutch abusers in the various incarnations, that becomes a constant that can be applied to make the data at least of a little interest. I did say the sample was small. And I wouldn't base any judgement on it at all - I just think it is interesting that ASM1 isn't coming out as badly as the general bashing it gets on the forum might have one believe.
My point is, the way the data was summised from this thread is pointless, it disregards any mileage, which as a clutch is a consumable renders it useless.I think there have been a handful of problems, and a few reports on internet forums have morphed into "that car has clutch issues"
when in reality, its no different to any other car..the clutch is consumable, if you abuse or misuse it, then it wears out more quickly.
Maybe there were a few ASM1 drivers that didnt understand the difference between an auto and automated manual box ...maybe there are as many owners that dont get on with the flyback handbrake and hold it on the clutch on hills/inclines
No doubt there are a few cars that had failures, well within normal expected failure rate for that gearbox and those got blown out of all proportion
one would hope Aston have the real data...at least for cars in warranty...
on another note, if I swap my car next year for a Roadster, I might have done 7 years, 70K miles without a clutch change
when in reality, its no different to any other car..the clutch is consumable, if you abuse or misuse it, then it wears out more quickly.
Maybe there were a few ASM1 drivers that didnt understand the difference between an auto and automated manual box ...maybe there are as many owners that dont get on with the flyback handbrake and hold it on the clutch on hills/inclines
No doubt there are a few cars that had failures, well within normal expected failure rate for that gearbox and those got blown out of all proportion
one would hope Aston have the real data...at least for cars in warranty...
on another note, if I swap my car next year for a Roadster, I might have done 7 years, 70K miles without a clutch change
I do see Gibbon's point
Perhaps the original poll question should have been 'Vantage Clutch died prematurely'.
But then we'd have to define prematurely
My DB9 clutch lasted 30k miles, my Maser 4200 clutches lasted 30k and then a further 30k miles, my 911 clutch lasted 30k and then 40k miles. For me then, 30k, seems normal for a powerful manual RWD car.
Others like Bogie have ones that last 60k+.
From memory, I think Aston would generally replace a clutch if it went before 10k miles, anything after that was fair wear and tear and is probably down to the driver and mode of use.
Anyway, it's a fun poll and gets people talking about the issue/non-issue. The 'horror stories' may not be quite as worrying as the casual observer/future buyer would think.
Perhaps the original poll question should have been 'Vantage Clutch died prematurely'.
But then we'd have to define prematurely
My DB9 clutch lasted 30k miles, my Maser 4200 clutches lasted 30k and then a further 30k miles, my 911 clutch lasted 30k and then 40k miles. For me then, 30k, seems normal for a powerful manual RWD car.
Others like Bogie have ones that last 60k+.
From memory, I think Aston would generally replace a clutch if it went before 10k miles, anything after that was fair wear and tear and is probably down to the driver and mode of use.
Anyway, it's a fun poll and gets people talking about the issue/non-issue. The 'horror stories' may not be quite as worrying as the casual observer/future buyer would think.
Neil1300R said:
mikey k said:
Neil1300R said:
mikey k said:
We do something similar with our business = "inspection services" akin to the prewarranty inspection service AM do
It is possible to estimate clutch wear with the AM diagnostics system apparently
Interesting - I specifically asked HWM at last year's service to estimate clutch wear. Was told it can't be done without dropping the gearbox.It is possible to estimate clutch wear with the AM diagnostics system apparently
That said
Ferrari & Maserati have used avery similar box and can give a % clutch wear from their diagnostic systems
I wonder if it only applies to sport shift as the ECU will have calibration info for bite & kiss points that could be used to estimate wear
can only be done by seat of the pants / experience or a physical inspection - drop gearbox.
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