Getting warm.

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snuffy

9,802 posts

285 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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gibbon said:
Leaving an idling engine to warm though I wouldnt class as harmful, its not considered the best way to warm up an engine, the engine needs light load and rev cycles, labouring and idling from cold for long periods is not best practice.
On a previous car, the manual said to start it and drive it straight away - do not let it idle to warm up. Having said that, a mate used to let it warm up but I'm not sure its the best thing to do.

steveatesh

4,900 posts

165 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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Wife's Boxster 981 has an oil temperature and oil pressure gauge, although i should really say readouts as rhey are digital scales rather than analouge. Must say I thought it was something new Astons should have, the information is much better than simply water temepature.

gibbon

2,182 posts

208 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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snuffy said:
On a previous car, the manual said to start it and drive it straight away - do not let it idle to warm up. Having said that, a mate used to let it warm up but I'm not sure its the best thing to do.
Light driving is best, varying loads, varying revs, air flow etc. Makes sense really.

theno23

865 posts

211 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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Yep, better gauges would be good.

I'd really like an oil level gauge, like on 911s, you have to let the car sit after the engine has been running (e.g. at a petrol station), but it does the timing automatically, and reminds you to check it. Would be very handy, the V8V oil checking procedure is a bit of a pain, I'm sure my neighbours think I'm just bring a prick frown

- Steve

yeti

10,523 posts

276 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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gibbon said:
burntout said:
I have a superb starting from cold ritual... Start car, leave to stand for 15 mins ticking over... large coffe and a marlborough light... Done!! Engine is always well warm enough by then... wink
Leaving an idling engine to warm though I wouldnt class as harmful, its not considered the best way to warm up an engine, the engine needs light load and rev cycles, labouring and idling from cold for long periods is not best practice.
This ^^

Idling really doesn't generate much oil pressure, especially with cold viscous oil trying to get to the very top of the engine. Save your tab for later smile

mikey k

13,011 posts

217 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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So what about tyre and diff temp as well? wink
I try to leave it ~5 mins of driving after engine temp comes up before getting "in to it"

BTW Rob how are you doing your start with throttle fully down? I presume other foot on the brake pedal?

Vee12V

1,335 posts

161 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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My (daily) BMW 3 series has an oil temperature gauge, in stead of water temperature one.
Quite like the little touch. And it's only a 325d. Wish the Aston had one.

mikey k

13,011 posts

217 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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yeti said:
gibbon said:
burntout said:
I have a superb starting from cold ritual... Start car, leave to stand for 15 mins ticking over... large coffe and a marlborough light... Done!! Engine is always well warm enough by then... wink
Leaving an idling engine to warm though I wouldnt class as harmful, its not considered the best way to warm up an engine, the engine needs light load and rev cycles, labouring and idling from cold for long periods is not best practice.
This ^^

Idling really doesn't generate much oil pressure, especially with cold viscous oil trying to get to the very top of the engine. Save your tab for later smile
Exactly - it also doesn't put heat in the the diff/box or the tyres

Lunablack

3,494 posts

163 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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I've said before.... The Aston shoud have a full array of gauges in a pod where the Sat Nav is....

It'd be far more useful... And most sports cars have usually had a full compliment of instruments in the past..... It's the law..smile

Zod

35,295 posts

259 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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Lunablack said:
I've said before.... The Aston shoud have a full array of gauges in a pod where the Sat Nav is....

It'd be far more useful... And most sports cars have usually had a full compliment of instruments in the past..... It's the law..smile
Not there.There should be a decent sat nav there. There's room in the binnacle for an oil pressure gauge. There's also room for a bigger multi-function screen in there. The speedo could move to a HUD. HUDs are great. The current analogue speedo looks nice, but is completely illegible, other than at speeds in the 100 mph+ range. Why it has to be linear is beyond me.

robgt

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2,585 posts

163 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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Mikey, to answer your question. Starting. I admit to be slightly nervous, check and double check that she is in neutral. Foot flat to the floor then press the E.C.U , hold it spinning for no more than 3 seconds ,then release and repeat twice more. release pedal and fire her up. This procedure all takes place with my other foot firmly on the brake which then allows me to do the clutch learn exercise. you combine both checks therefore reducing the chance of forgetting. It must be beneficial!

mikey k

13,011 posts

217 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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robgt said:
Mikey, to answer your question. Starting. I admit to be slightly nervous, check and double check that she is in neutral. Foot flat to the floor then press the E.C.U , hold it spinning for no more than 3 seconds ,then release and repeat twice more. release pedal and fire her up. This procedure all takes place with my other foot firmly on the brake which then allows me to do the clutch learn exercise. you combine both checks therefore reducing the chance of forgetting. It must be beneficial!
That's the bit I was after

timwhayden

55 posts

135 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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My Gallardo has voltmeter,water temp, oil temp and oil pressure all in analog gauges. Didn't realize it was that unusual till reading this thread!

MollyGTi

2,358 posts

155 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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George29 said:
Since you're on about the Polo GTI it has an oil temp gauge if you flick through the menus.

I'd be more concerned about the amount of oil it uses. * If it's less than 1 litre per 1500 miles send it straight back to the dealer. It's the one flaw in the 1.4 TSI design, lots of people have had new engines fitted because of it. Some are fine though.
Yes George, I think the reason for the thread was Rob's discussion with the VW dealership about oil usage as we are aware that problems have occurred for others and we want to make very sure that it won't happen to us. It went along the lines of make sure it's properly warmed up before giving it too many revs. Unfortunately my 5 mile drive to work isn't really far enough to get up to full race temperature but I shall make sure it gets plenty of other workouts besides my commute smile

BTW - fortunately I know not to take what you said too literally re * oil usage wink

Anyway - putting aside all that negative stuff - it gets delivered tomorrow so roll on first drive Friday morning woohoo

George29

14,707 posts

165 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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MollyGTi said:
BTW - fortunately I know not to take what you said too literally re * oil usage wink
Ok, but make sure you keep a bottle of oil in the car just in case.

And remember - I told you so wink

MollyGTi

2,358 posts

155 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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George29 said:
MollyGTi said:
BTW - fortunately I know not to take what you said too literally re * oil usage wink
Ok, but make sure you keep a bottle of oil in the car just in case.

And remember - I told you so wink
Will do.

You enjoyed yours didn't you?

(If the answer to that is no then I would rather not hear it! eek )

George29

14,707 posts

165 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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MollyGTi said:
Will do.

You enjoyed yours didn't you?
yes Preferred it to the S3.

robgt

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2,585 posts

163 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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George did you chip yours? As soon as Molly has done a few miles it will be off to Motor Mods who are offering a stage 2 chip which takes it up to 214 bhp. Incidentally there is a clip on U tube of a 911GT3 on the Nurburgring being chased by a Polo GTI which has been chipped . Makes good viewing because it cannot be shaken off. Regarding the oil consumption, my friendly VW dealer has been very explicit in describing how it should be run in. Basically get the oil temperature up to 90degrees . Then thrash it!!

George29

14,707 posts

165 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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Nope, all my cars remain completely standard.

I've seen the clip. To be honest, I'd say it's more driver ability (or lack of in the GT3) that enables the car to keep up. It was a fun little car but it wasn't that fast. Used to understeer a lot too when pushing on.

I used to thrash mine, it doesn't help. It went back to the dealers several times because of it, and they were extremely unhelpful and just gave me free oil to top it up with. I hope they sorted the design flaw with the engine by now though smile