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The car is rumoured to have 640bhp, so firstly BR might take it to over 700 !!!!! and secondly, that makes the 205 top speed more than feasible, especially with SS
price point is interesting - if they make it into more of a standalone model than v12v was to V8, particularly with different bodywork, becomes much easier to price it around the £180-190k mark as a true rival to 458/12c - those cars have around 570 & 620 bhp respectively and whilst they are lighter, will have quicker 0-60 times (c. 3 secs for those cars) and probably faster round a track, V12VS would still be much more relevant as a choice for buyers in the real world
If it has vanquish style power output of 570ish, then I can't see them getting away with much of an increase over current V12v price
I don't see top speed having anything to do with what they can price it at though
price point is interesting - if they make it into more of a standalone model than v12v was to V8, particularly with different bodywork, becomes much easier to price it around the £180-190k mark as a true rival to 458/12c - those cars have around 570 & 620 bhp respectively and whilst they are lighter, will have quicker 0-60 times (c. 3 secs for those cars) and probably faster round a track, V12VS would still be much more relevant as a choice for buyers in the real world
If it has vanquish style power output of 570ish, then I can't see them getting away with much of an increase over current V12v price
I don't see top speed having anything to do with what they can price it at though
jonby said:
The car is rumoured to have 640bhp, so firstly BR might take it to over 700 !!!!! and secondly, that makes the 205 top speed more than feasible, especially with SS
price point is interesting - if they make it into more of a standalone model than v12v was to V8, particularly with different bodywork, becomes much easier to price it around the £180-190k mark as a true rival to 458/12c - those cars have around 570 & 620 bhp respectively and whilst they are lighter, will have quicker 0-60 times (c. 3 secs for those cars) and probably faster round a track, V12VS would still be much more relevant as a choice for buyers in the real world
If it has vanquish style power output of 570ish, then I can't see them getting away with much of an increase over current V12v price
I don't see top speed having anything to do with what they can price it at though
I wish Aston would stop releasing tempting models just after I commit to something else price point is interesting - if they make it into more of a standalone model than v12v was to V8, particularly with different bodywork, becomes much easier to price it around the £180-190k mark as a true rival to 458/12c - those cars have around 570 & 620 bhp respectively and whilst they are lighter, will have quicker 0-60 times (c. 3 secs for those cars) and probably faster round a track, V12VS would still be much more relevant as a choice for buyers in the real world
If it has vanquish style power output of 570ish, then I can't see them getting away with much of an increase over current V12v price
I don't see top speed having anything to do with what they can price it at though
mikey k said:
jonby said:
The car is rumoured to have 640bhp, so firstly BR might take it to over 700 !!!!! and secondly, that makes the 205 top speed more than feasible, especially with SS
price point is interesting - if they make it into more of a standalone model than v12v was to V8, particularly with different bodywork, becomes much easier to price it around the £180-190k mark as a true rival to 458/12c - those cars have around 570 & 620 bhp respectively and whilst they are lighter, will have quicker 0-60 times (c. 3 secs for those cars) and probably faster round a track, V12VS would still be much more relevant as a choice for buyers in the real world
If it has vanquish style power output of 570ish, then I can't see them getting away with much of an increase over current V12v price
I don't see top speed having anything to do with what they can price it at though
I wish Aston would stop releasing tempting models just after I commit to something else price point is interesting - if they make it into more of a standalone model than v12v was to V8, particularly with different bodywork, becomes much easier to price it around the £180-190k mark as a true rival to 458/12c - those cars have around 570 & 620 bhp respectively and whilst they are lighter, will have quicker 0-60 times (c. 3 secs for those cars) and probably faster round a track, V12VS would still be much more relevant as a choice for buyers in the real world
If it has vanquish style power output of 570ish, then I can't see them getting away with much of an increase over current V12v price
I don't see top speed having anything to do with what they can price it at though
Jockman said:
jonby said:
I agree, although I guess the roadster we would both want is some way down the road.....
Indeed...but then they will do only 1 per Dealer.....again.Thankfully Mikey will let you have Phil Cole's one while he goes further afield
mind you, even then, without manual, not sure I'd change mine
Would probably be cheaper & more preferable to get a low miles coupe in addition to v12VR than upgrade to a roadster version of the new one, especially if a new roadster is also a ltd ed
jonby said:
Please g-d it won't be for a few yrs so my wallet will have had time to recover...
mind you, even then, without manual, not sure I'd change mine
Would probably be cheaper & more preferable to get a low miles coupe in addition to v12VR than upgrade to a roadster version of the new one, especially if a new roadster is also a ltd ed
Good strategy.....wonder how robust it will be once Mr Cole has made that call to you though.mind you, even then, without manual, not sure I'd change mine
Would probably be cheaper & more preferable to get a low miles coupe in addition to v12VR than upgrade to a roadster version of the new one, especially if a new roadster is also a ltd ed
You know he will
Jockman said:
jonby said:
Please g-d it won't be for a few yrs so my wallet will have had time to recover...
mind you, even then, without manual, not sure I'd change mine
Would probably be cheaper & more preferable to get a low miles coupe in addition to v12VR than upgrade to a roadster version of the new one, especially if a new roadster is also a ltd ed
Good strategy.....wonder how robust it will be once Mr Cole has made that call to you though.mind you, even then, without manual, not sure I'd change mine
Would probably be cheaper & more preferable to get a low miles coupe in addition to v12VR than upgrade to a roadster version of the new one, especially if a new roadster is also a ltd ed
You know he will
Incidentally I deal with Martin at Wilmslow (although I know Phil) but I bought one car from Rachel at Broughtons and I'm also friendly with someone at another dealership so I'll probably get 3 calls
Meanwhile, a little birdy has just told me that the embargo date is close than the OP suggests - middle of next week.. .....
This has just appeared to confirm that
a tweet by aston martin official, simply saying 'stay tuned' and linking to this cryptic vid
https://vine.co/v/bVmgwF9ieZh
a tweet by aston martin official, simply saying 'stay tuned' and linking to this cryptic vid
https://vine.co/v/bVmgwF9ieZh
Please help those of us who are confused about the gearbox / gearchange abreviations.
1. I know manual.
2. I know torque converter automatic.
3. I think I know one type of paddle shift - a manual gearbox with electrical gear changes (that sometimes does change when you expect).
As for SS, presumably the Aston name for numer 3.
Thank you.
Jon39 said:
Please help those of us who are confused about the gearbox / gearchange abreviations.
1. I know manual.
2. I know torque converter automatic.
3. I think I know one type of paddle shift - a manual gearbox with electrical gear changes (that sometimes does change when you expect).
As for SS, presumably the Aston name for numer 3.
Thank you.
In my head 1. I know manual.
2. I know torque converter automatic.
3. I think I know one type of paddle shift - a manual gearbox with electrical gear changes (that sometimes does change when you expect).
As for SS, presumably the Aston name for numer 3.
Thank you.
1 = manual, 6MT, stick, 3 pedals, etc
2 = TT(1&2 versions), auto, slush box, flappy paddle (confusing I know)
3 = sport shift, ASM, flappy paddle, robotic manual (3 versions 1.0, 1.1 & 2)
mikey k said:
Jon39 said:
Please help those of us who are confused about the gearbox / gearchange abreviations.
1. I know manual.
2. I know torque converter automatic.
3. I think I know one type of paddle shift - a manual gearbox with electrical gear changes (that sometimes does change when you expect).
As for SS, presumably the Aston name for numer 3.
Thank you.
In my head 1. I know manual.
2. I know torque converter automatic.
3. I think I know one type of paddle shift - a manual gearbox with electrical gear changes (that sometimes does change when you expect).
As for SS, presumably the Aston name for numer 3.
Thank you.
1 = manual, 6MT, stick, 3 pedals, etc
2 = TT(1&2 versions), auto, slush box, flappy paddle (confusing I know)
3 = sport shift, ASM, flappy paddle, robotic manual (3 versions 1.0, 1.1 & 2)
Also, in terms of comparisons to other manufacturers, the one type of mainstream box not offered by aston is DSG/dual clutch, effectively a smoother version of sportshift
Lambo still use a sportshift equivalent, Ferrari used to but have been phasing it out in favour of dual clutch. pagani use sportsshift equivalent for weight saving reasons, Lexus LFA did too
most other sports car manufacturers use conventional auto (No.2 above, e.g many AMGs, new jag F type) or DSG/dual clutch automated manual (which aston don't offer)
here we go
vid on new car
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky7mf1PxQQE&fea...
it would appear, somewhat disappointingly, that this is using current shape - bonnet vents, interior, lights, etc look the same ?
vid on new car
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky7mf1PxQQE&fea...
it would appear, somewhat disappointingly, that this is using current shape - bonnet vents, interior, lights, etc look the same ?
Jon39 said:
Please help those of us who are confused about the gearbox / gearchange abreviations.
1. I know manual.
2. I know torque converter automatic.
3. I think I know one type of paddle shift - a manual gearbox with electrical gear changes (that sometimes does change when you expect).
As for SS, presumably the Aston name for numer 3.
Thank you.
Most flappy paddle gearboxes these days are derivatives of your No 2 in that they are an automatic gearbox (or dual gearboxes) that can be operated manually. No 3 is a manual gearbox that changes automatically, if that makes sense i.e. Same gearbox as No 1, but where the clutch is automatically pressed, gears changed and the clutch released.1. I know manual.
2. I know torque converter automatic.
3. I think I know one type of paddle shift - a manual gearbox with electrical gear changes (that sometimes does change when you expect).
As for SS, presumably the Aston name for numer 3.
Thank you.
No 2 : as fitted to DB9 / DBS / Vanquish310
No 3 : SS1 as fitted to V8V; SS2 as fitted to latest V8V / V8VS / rumoured to fitted to the V12VS
Other manufactuers all tend to use No 2 now e.g. (BMW DKG/DSG/DCT - Audi/VW DSG - Porsche PDK)
BMW used to use No 3 with their SMG system as fitted to the old M3, M5 and M6 but have now abandoned it in favour of No 2.
Personally having owned both, I love No 3 and hate No 2 as to me cars with No 2 still feel like automatics at heart. I was badly burt with an experience owning a 997 PDK and sold it very quickly mainly due to the gearbox, so not sure if I would jump back into another flappy paddle car soon, but as long as V12VS has No 3 its possible.
No, no! My car is a keeper... (Probably)
- edit just seen that Jonby has pretty much duplicated my post above whilst I was writing this, but I will leave it anyway!
jonby said:
here we go
vid on new car
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky7mf1PxQQE&fea...
it would appear, somewhat disappointingly, that this is using current shape - bonnet vents, interior, lights, etc look the same ?
Yes looks to be the same as current plus Im not sure it has paddles on the steering wheel - you can see the centre dash which I think would be blocked if paddles were there. Could be that they are just using current V12V for photography purposes. Should help current V12V residuals if it looks the same . Interesting to see where they pitch the price bearing in mind discounts on the current one !vid on new car
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky7mf1PxQQE&fea...
it would appear, somewhat disappointingly, that this is using current shape - bonnet vents, interior, lights, etc look the same ?
jonby said:
here we go
vid on new car
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky7mf1PxQQE&fea...
it would appear, somewhat disappointingly, that this is using current shape - bonnet vents, interior, lights, etc look the same ?
I was told weeks ago, and posted as much, that it would be same shape, Vanquish310 engine (i.e. 565BHP) and SS2 gearbox.vid on new car
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky7mf1PxQQE&fea...
it would appear, somewhat disappointingly, that this is using current shape - bonnet vents, interior, lights, etc look the same ?
As much as you are all hoping for more power and a new shape, I just cant see that either of those would commercially stack up for AM right now. The above combo is basically a rework of existing range parts to make the most spicy possible combo.
The interesting and still unknown bit for me is price and quanitiy of cars to be made.
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