Discussion
Jon39 said:
cardigankid said:
Enjoy it by all means, but imho if you keep it for the long term, it will hold its value.
Mine is a 'keeper', so it would be good if the model does remain desirable in the future. The much admired shape might help. However, more Vantages have been built than any other AM model, and I think DB7s are now obtainable for around £20,000. cardigankid said:
As for equity funds ....... QE and very real inflation, that's why your equity fund is doing well, but personally, over the piece, I wouldn't put money into it.
Apologies for going off topic now, but I would like to answer the points.You are quite right about inflation, and of course QE does have a direct theoretical link.
£100,000 at the begining of 2009, is now worth only £85,000.
The compounding effect on equity funds can produce phenomenal results, but usually only if managed in the correct way. Short-term trading is not conventional investment.
My fund was doing reasonably before QE (14.5% p.a. 25 year average, and only been beaten by the market in 4 years, out of the last 25). If you do doubt long-term equities, remember that this period included several bubbles, slumps and recessions. Obviously allocating capital to good businesses is the important part.
One of the strangest bubbles was 1999, when presumably wise people, paid extremely high prices for new technology companies, that were loss-making. The chance of picking a future success, was little more than nil.
In 2007, many could see another bubble, but with people and governments all doing so well, nobody 'rang the bell'. That old saying was heard yet again, 'it is different this time'.
I can't see your DB7 losing much more - and though V8V's are the commonest Aston, not sure just how 'common' that is, particularly with the numbers Aston are now building, and how few are going into the home market. Now, buy a really nice V8V in the right colour scheme for £38k. How bad is it going to get?
Edited by cardigankid on Monday 3rd June 20:08
cardigankid said:
... but my take on equities is that the PB Investor only gets something out of it once the management, the banks and the funds have filled their boots, and having tried it I prefer 'hard' assets.
Thank you for replying. Sorry that equities have not worked for you. I have met a few people who have said the same. In each instance, their mistake was not adhering to investment principles.I enjoyed your 'take on equities', but each shareholder does of course have identical proportional rights, to ownership and profits, whoever they might be.
Here is an interesting example for you. If anyone put £10,000 into BAT Industries in 1990, the annual dividend would then have been £540. That same shareholding now, would be worth £125,000 and the annual dividend is currently £4,680.
Do you think that money into an Aston Martin (hopefully not one incurring restoration costs), would have worked better? No annual income though.
cardigankid said:
I can't see your DB7 losing much more - and though V8V's are the commonest Aston, not sure just how 'common' that is, particularly with the numbers Aston are now building, and how few are going into the home market. Now, buy a really nice V8V in the right colour scheme for £38k. How bad is it going to get?
I don't own a DB7. My P&J is a pristine 4·7 V8 Vantage (probably in the right colour scheme, I only know of four others in UK). The first owner paid six figures (with options), but 40% of that had been lost before it became mine.To answer your question, I presume its value will be under £20,000 in time. With no intention of selling though, I just consider myself very fortunate to enjoy owning an Aston Martin.
Edited by Jon39 on Monday 3rd June 22:52
Hi all, my first post. Looking at the V12 S with interest if only they come out with a convertible. They changed more things than just engine and gearbox for what I have seen.
What do you think the 0 to 62 times can be here? With the new gearbox and the big increase of torque at low revs it should be a big improvement over other models, no? I habe read like 4s but should not it be lower than that?
What do you think the 0 to 62 times can be here? With the new gearbox and the big increase of torque at low revs it should be a big improvement over other models, no? I habe read like 4s but should not it be lower than that?
AM8 said:
Hi all, my first post. Looking at the V12 S with interest if only they come out with a convertible. They changed more things than just engine and gearbox for what I have seen.
According to an interview with the AM Product Manager in last week's Autocar, there were no plans for a Roadster.AM8 said:
Hi all, my first post. Looking at the V12 S with interest if only they come out with a convertible. They changed more things than just engine and gearbox for what I have seen.
What do you think the 0 to 62 times can be here? With the new gearbox and the big increase of torque at low revs it should be a big improvement over other models, no? I habe read like 4s but should not it be lower than that?
Neglible improvement i would imagine.the car struggles to put 510 bhp down properly ,the extra power will be useful once you are up and running ,but wasted on a launch,maybe the gearbox will help in that respect.What do you think the 0 to 62 times can be here? With the new gearbox and the big increase of torque at low revs it should be a big improvement over other models, no? I habe read like 4s but should not it be lower than that?
Neil1300R said:
AM8 said:
Hi all, my first post. Looking at the V12 S with interest if only they come out with a convertible. They changed more things than just engine and gearbox for what I have seen.
According to an interview with the AM Product Manager in last week's Autocar, there were no plans for a Roadster.Expect it sometime towards the end of next year then.
whoami said:
Neil1300R said:
AM8 said:
Hi all, my first post. Looking at the V12 S with interest if only they come out with a convertible. They changed more things than just engine and gearbox for what I have seen.
According to an interview with the AM Product Manager in last week's Autocar, there were no plans for a Roadster.Expect it sometime towards the end of next year then.
One assumes it will be at least 12 mths, perhaps 24 mths. But they would be daft not to, if for no other reason than there is a business case for it - put bluntly, build it and it will sell
I actually think they would be better off doing a non ltd ed version rather than the 101 they did of V12VR
Incidentally, if that were the case, I wonder if medium term that helps V12VR prices/residuals as whilst there would be more V12 Vantage roadsters overall across the 2 models, it would 'highlight' the rarity of the manual version
franki68 said:
AM8 said:
Hi all, my first post. Looking at the V12 S with interest if only they come out with a convertible. They changed more things than just engine and gearbox for what I have seen.
What do you think the 0 to 62 times can be here? With the new gearbox and the big increase of torque at low revs it should be a big improvement over other models, no? I habe read like 4s but should not it be lower than that?
Neglible improvement i would imagine.the car struggles to put 510 bhp down properly ,the extra power will be useful once you are up and running ,but wasted on a launch,maybe the gearbox will help in that respect.What do you think the 0 to 62 times can be here? With the new gearbox and the big increase of torque at low revs it should be a big improvement over other models, no? I habe read like 4s but should not it be lower than that?
I suspect the most notable improvements of V12VS over V12V are handling, a little mid range grunt, noise (comparing OEM to OEM), gearbox (well maybe that's a difference rather than an improvement - this one's obviously very subjective) and some more aggressive cosmetic options
Significance of new Bosch ECU is more in relation to the V12s future rather than making this car 'better'
here's a render of a V12VS roadster that came out a few days ago
http://www.automobilesreview.com/auto-news/aston-m...
http://www.automobilesreview.com/auto-news/aston-m...
jonby said:
whoami said:
Neil1300R said:
AM8 said:
Hi all, my first post. Looking at the V12 S with interest if only they come out with a convertible. They changed more things than just engine and gearbox for what I have seen.
According to an interview with the AM Product Manager in last week's Autocar, there were no plans for a Roadster.Expect it sometime towards the end of next year then.
One assumes it will be at least 12 mths, perhaps 24 mths. But they would be daft not to, if for no other reason than there is a business case for it - put bluntly, build it and it will sell
I actually think they would be better off doing a non ltd ed version rather than the 101 they did of V12VR
Incidentally, if that were the case, I wonder if medium term that helps V12VR prices/residuals as whilst there would be more V12 Vantage roadsters overall across the 2 models, it would 'highlight' the rarity of the manual version
whoami said:
jonby said:
whoami said:
Neil1300R said:
AM8 said:
Hi all, my first post. Looking at the V12 S with interest if only they come out with a convertible. They changed more things than just engine and gearbox for what I have seen.
According to an interview with the AM Product Manager in last week's Autocar, there were no plans for a Roadster.Expect it sometime towards the end of next year then.
One assumes it will be at least 12 mths, perhaps 24 mths. But they would be daft not to, if for no other reason than there is a business case for it - put bluntly, build it and it will sell
I actually think they would be better off doing a non ltd ed version rather than the 101 they did of V12VR
Incidentally, if that were the case, I wonder if medium term that helps V12VR prices/residuals as whilst there would be more V12 Vantage roadsters overall across the 2 models, it would 'highlight' the rarity of the manual version
Incidentally, these recent posts reminded me, I was going to check if registration V12VSR was still available - it is. Well it was. Just bought it - whether for me in the future or someone else, couldn't resist taking a punt !
mikey k said:
Neil1300R said:
According to an interview with the AM Product Manager in last week's Autocar, there were no plans for a Roadster.
De ja vue 
In either scenario it would sell, so I can't see why they wouldn't ?
Currently I drive a V8 S roadster. While I love it at highs, I feel I can use more punch down. Or even lots more... When I bought the S there was no V12 roadster or I would have gone for it. Manual or SS both are ok with me, but convertible is a most in my case.
Maybe when they produce this is a factor of how fast they sell the units of the current V12 R? They are limited to 100 or so no? If they are sold out I dont think they will stay with no V12 R. Atthe same time, if there are units still to be sold or produced I doubt it they will come out with the S.
Also will be interesting to know in the context of current Vantage, time left. I thought in 14 or 15 we would see a whole new model but with these changes I am not sure anymore. I would expect we see a 14 V8 with many of these changes and so it goes another good years. People tend to assume or complain about not having a complete new model, but it is rare to me that those same people do not say the same when the 911 is on the table. They have been living with almost the same line for ages, just upgradijg engines, transmisions and other techs. In the 911 case this is fine.
As for me, I think if they dont produce the V12 SR soon, and the 911 turbo S convertible comes out first, I may think about a change... or possibly even the 458 spider... like the AM better in terms of looks and style but I want a faster car... actually higher torque... well both really.
Maybe when they produce this is a factor of how fast they sell the units of the current V12 R? They are limited to 100 or so no? If they are sold out I dont think they will stay with no V12 R. Atthe same time, if there are units still to be sold or produced I doubt it they will come out with the S.
Also will be interesting to know in the context of current Vantage, time left. I thought in 14 or 15 we would see a whole new model but with these changes I am not sure anymore. I would expect we see a 14 V8 with many of these changes and so it goes another good years. People tend to assume or complain about not having a complete new model, but it is rare to me that those same people do not say the same when the 911 is on the table. They have been living with almost the same line for ages, just upgradijg engines, transmisions and other techs. In the 911 case this is fine.
As for me, I think if they dont produce the V12 SR soon, and the 911 turbo S convertible comes out first, I may think about a change... or possibly even the 458 spider... like the AM better in terms of looks and style but I want a faster car... actually higher torque... well both really.
AM8 said:
Not familiar with those. What are they? Exhaust, cat and filter? Or also ECU? Not based in UK but I guess I could drive up there this summer if it is really worth it? What are the gains and differences with other houses?
Go onto the sticky thread at the top and that's got everything you could want to know about Bamford Rose. They look after my car, so I'm a big fan of their work. Fair to say threads can often get taken over by BR talk though, so best to direct you there!
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