Discussion
yeti said:
It'll be exciting yes, but won't handle like a mid-engined, high-output V8 that's half a ton lighter, no...
As you say, it has better GT credentials; and this is no bad thing. The thing you'll notice the most is the torque, and it becomes addictive and enjoyable. And the manual box is a joy to use. A very nice foil to a 430, it would be an almost ideal pairing as they are polar opposites
Frightening...I agree with all that.As you say, it has better GT credentials; and this is no bad thing. The thing you'll notice the most is the torque, and it becomes addictive and enjoyable. And the manual box is a joy to use. A very nice foil to a 430, it would be an almost ideal pairing as they are polar opposites
v12woollie said:
So what of the Corsas. Well, as is generally known, when they are cold or when the road is wet they are not the best tyre out there. Of course you can drive the car but you can't drive in any spirited fashion as they have insufficient high speed
Well Simon lets hope for the perfect British summer where we have no rain 
Re the corsas in the rain, there is a lot more grip there than you think once they are warm I recon it just needs a much more finessed throttle and steering input, the rears will certainly break away but with so much torque on tap any tyre will loose traction. The issue comes when the tyres ability to clear water reaches its limit. They are more like inters than full wets.
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AMDBSNick said:
v12woollie said:
So what of the Corsas. Well, as is generally known, when they are cold or when the road is wet they are not the best tyre out there. Of course you can drive the car but you can't drive in any spirited fashion as they have insufficient high speed
Well Simon lets hope for the perfect British summer where we have no rain 
Definitely hoping the weather is nice for Wales in July. 
I can't comment on carbon black but I have onyx black on my Vanquish. The colour is stunning in the sunlight and shows a lovely bronze fleck through the paint.
However, if you're not very careful with cleaning then the black will show swirls and marks very quickly. Unless it's a sunny day and the roads are completely dry (pfft...it's Aberdeen for goodness sake, that's never going to happen!) I tend to need to wash the car after every drive. It just so happens that I do rather enjoy that part of owning an Aston too.
My father just bought a Lightning Silver V12V which I cannot recommend enough. It's a subtle bright silver that I first saw on a DBS and loved. Understated at a glance but really makes the lines of the car jump out at you when the sun is on it. For me, it would be a great compromise to Morning Frost if it was deemed 'too much'.
However, if you're not very careful with cleaning then the black will show swirls and marks very quickly. Unless it's a sunny day and the roads are completely dry (pfft...it's Aberdeen for goodness sake, that's never going to happen!) I tend to need to wash the car after every drive. It just so happens that I do rather enjoy that part of owning an Aston too.
My father just bought a Lightning Silver V12V which I cannot recommend enough. It's a subtle bright silver that I first saw on a DBS and loved. Understated at a glance but really makes the lines of the car jump out at you when the sun is on it. For me, it would be a great compromise to Morning Frost if it was deemed 'too much'.
cayman-black said:
Carbon Black, Morning Frost,Mako or Sratus would be my selection.Maybe Ceramic Gery?
Preferably with Chancellor red interior.
There is a private morning frost car with red interior in the classifies at £85k. Pictures dont do it justice but for me both white and red would be a little too much. Lovely combo but I'm thinking MF white and black is risky enough.Preferably with Chancellor red interior.
White is popular now but it is a fashionable colour and only suits certain cars. I'm not saying it doesn't look good on a V12V but I just don't see it as a typical Aston Martin customers colour and that might hit you hard on resale. I'm sure dealers would view it at least £3k less than a safer colour
Understated/classy Black, silver and Greys seem to be the norm with an Aston
GRBF430F1 said:
There is a private morning frost car with red interior in the classifies at £85k. Pictures dont do it justice but for me both white and red would be a little too much. Lovely combo but I'm thinking MF white and black is risky enough.
White is popular now but it is a fashionable colour and only suits certain cars. I'm not saying it doesn't look good on a V12V but I just don't see it as a typical Aston Martin customers colour and that might hit you hard on resale. I'm sure dealers would view it at least £3k less than a safer colour
Understated/classy Black, silver and Greys seem to be the norm with an Aston
I have a Morning Frost V12V with a red/black interior and I absolutely love it! Have a look at the thread I posted when I bought it. Initial pics on page 1 and better pics on page 3.White is popular now but it is a fashionable colour and only suits certain cars. I'm not saying it doesn't look good on a V12V but I just don't see it as a typical Aston Martin customers colour and that might hit you hard on resale. I'm sure dealers would view it at least £3k less than a safer colour
Understated/classy Black, silver and Greys seem to be the norm with an Aston
12 months on and I have no regrets at all. I had a Meteroite Silver V12V before which was lovely too, but I would pick Morning Frost White again in a heartbeat, if only to provoke George into making more of his "recession white" comments!
v12woollie said:
There is a new MFW V12V at a dealer near me. Still there and still a deal to be done. It is stunning and nearly the one I bought but the man maths just couldn't do it.
I can get the man maths to work until I consider what it will be worth in 2 years.A 2 year old 873 mile full spec car carbon black Lightweights seats B & O car was up at £94k and sold in 3 days but if £94k was asking price and he got a bit of a deal or over allowance then its more like £90k.
List of £150k to £90k in 2 years and for 873 miles - ooch !
At what price will these cars find their level?
People are already talking about discounting the S to be competitive and that will only push prices down further.
Potentially scary times I don't know but I certainly wouldn't want to lose more than £10k a year on a V12V ?
Whats peoples thoughts on used values or new (old car ) prices / deals ?
GRBF430F1 said:
I can get the man maths to work until I consider what it will be worth in 2 years.
A 2 year old 873 mile full spec car carbon black Lightweights seats B & O car was up at £94k and sold in 3 days but if £94k was asking price and he got a bit of a deal or over allowance then its more like £90k.
List of £150k to £90k in 2 years and for 873 miles - ooch !
At what price will these cars find their level?
People are already talking about discounting the S to be competitive and that will only push prices down further.
Potentially scary times I don't know but I certainly wouldn't want to lose more than £10k a year on a V12V ?
Whats peoples thoughts on used values or new (old car ) prices / deals ?
That went for pretty much asking price.A 2 year old 873 mile full spec car carbon black Lightweights seats B & O car was up at £94k and sold in 3 days but if £94k was asking price and he got a bit of a deal or over allowance then its more like £90k.
List of £150k to £90k in 2 years and for 873 miles - ooch !
At what price will these cars find their level?
People are already talking about discounting the S to be competitive and that will only push prices down further.
Potentially scary times I don't know but I certainly wouldn't want to lose more than £10k a year on a V12V ?
Whats peoples thoughts on used values or new (old car ) prices / deals ?
Also, the £150K list price is a complete red herring as no one ever paid that.
whoami said:
That went for pretty much asking price.
Also, the £150K list price is a complete red herring as no one ever paid that.
So the list prices are over - inflated to heavily discount ? Just like Tesco saying everything is on half price so you think you have bagged a bargainAlso, the £150K list price is a complete red herring as no one ever paid that.
Personally I thought that particular car, spec and miles, at £94k was good value but it now makes other used cars look expensive and new car deals ridiculous unless you are talking about £40k discounts.
Aston may be desperate to sell out the old model but whats realistic to expect and do people theink the V12V will become a classic as the last of the manuals ?
GRBF430F1 said:
whats realistic to expect and do people theink the V12V will become a classic as the last of the manuals ?
Will possibly be a classic in the future, but how far in the future is the question. Not in the next 5 years at least would be my guess. 2009 cars are sub £80k in the summer, and will drop a big amount come winter, then go up again the spring. It would not surprise me to see some being sold in the winter beginning with a 6.The nearest modern Aston which is seen as a classic is the original Vanquish. 4 years ago, the cheapest was very low 40's, which they still are. Vanquish S appears to have gone up in value in the past 2 years, but were made in smaller numbers than the V12V. The big caveat is they take months to sell and the servic costs would have been higher than any increase in value. In the same period the DB7 (made in larger numbers) has continued to fall in value.
So IMHO the V12V will not get cult / classic status for another 4-5 years and then will be a very limited market as to a large number of buyers it will look like a dinosour as you have to change gears with a gearstick!
All of the above is pure guess work though.
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