David Appleby twin plate clutch and lightened flywheel :-)

[MollyGTi]

8Tech said:

As a clutch and flywheel manufacturer myself

That's not a statement you are likely to see every day! I have worked for LuK Clutches & for an independent. For what it's worth (probably not a lot with me being a girl) - when it comes to clutches I was impressed with what I saw at Bamford Rose when Pearl had her upgrade

[Quinny]

Jalfonse said:

This type of thing is more associated with amateur owner DIY.

I would say the opposite...

[Jalfonse]

Oh dear, and when you think how much they charge an hour as well, shocking. To be honest I always search for good indies because they can't rely on people that go to main dealers 'automatically' and they must provide good quality work to generate positive feedback and future business. Just my personal view of course :-)

Edited by Jalfonse on Thursday 9th January 21:14

[Tony V12V]

MollyGTi said:

8Tech said:

As a clutch and flywheel manufacturer myself

That's not a statement you are likely to see every day! I have worked for LuK Clutches & for an independent. For what it's worth (probably not a lot with me being a girl) - when it comes to clutches I was impressed with what I saw at Bamford Rose when Pearl had her upgrade

Well you learn something new everyday. Didn't know you had worked for LuK Molly - we tend to use them as our main clutch supplier - a good product used by a large percentage of manufacturers.

What does your clutch/flywheel manufacturing company trade as 8tech?

[PiloteAM]

Quinny said:

Jalfonse said:

This type of thing is more associated with amateur owner DIY.

I would say the opposite...

Yeah, but not everyone is as competent as you.

I certainly don't trust myself to do anything complex

[MollyGTi]

Tony V12V said:

MollyGTi said:

8Tech said:

As a clutch and flywheel manufacturer myself

That's not a statement you are likely to see every day! I have worked for LuK Clutches & for an independent. For what it's worth (probably not a lot with me being a girl) - when it comes to clutches I was impressed with what I saw at Bamford Rose when Pearl had her upgrade

Well you learn something new everyday. Didn't know you had worked for LuK Molly

Tone, mate, there's a lot you don't know about me I can tell you tho' that I have earned my PistonHeads sticker & Tshirt by being a proper petrolhead for many (too many) years - as well as the above I have worked for service & sales departments (Ford & BMW), and a vehicle hire firm plus I was a biker back in my youth. I reckon I've driven a greater variety of vehicles than many blokes on this forum

[8Tech]

Tony V12V said:

What does your clutch/flywheel manufacturing company trade as 8tech?

I trade as PhoenixMotorsport and manufacture bespoke clutches and flywheels for BMW mainly.

http://www.phoenixmotorsport.co.uk/Products/parts_...

Edited by 8Tech on Friday 10th January 18:49

[8Tech]

Jalfonse said:

8Tech said:

As a clutch and flywheel manufacturer myself, those parts look fantastic and the throttle response far better as noted by the OP.

If the discs were original parts, I think I would have used some VHT paint on them to help reduce that corrosion around the bells and the edges as seen on the old discs. It also highlights the braking system visually too when painted black.



Clips and sensors left off previously!!!!!! Don't think I would be using them again then. Indie or Main Dealer?

Not sure who had left the bits and bobs off as this was prior to my ownership, not very good though I agree.
Those wheels and brakes in your pic look great what car is it and are those standard?

The discs are cross drilled standard discs and the wheels are aftermarket. Car is DB9 Volante.

[8Tech]

Quinny said:

Jalfonse said:

This type of thing is more associated with amateur owner DIY.

I would say the opposite...

I agree, the DIY owner is far more likely to be paying attention to what he is doing, and doing it slowly and methodically and will be very aware of any parts left when he is finished. A professional technician can do these without thinking and can get distracted and will have car bits all around him and could easily overlook the clips left over.

[Tony V12V]

8Tech said:

I trade as PhoenixMotorsport and manufacture bespoke clutches and flywheels for BMW mainly.

Manufacture from core parts or do you find the demand is more you to fit upgraded/ modified OE components? Obviously a lot more modded parts available from many suppliers in the aftermarket for BMW than there is for AM certainly but still interesting I'm sure.

[Tony V12V]

MollyGTi said:

Tone, mate, there's a lot you don't know about me I can tell you tho' that I have earned my PistonHeads sticker & Tshirt by being a proper petrolhead for many (too many) years - as well as the above I have worked for service & sales departments (Ford & BMW), and a vehicle hire firm plus I was a biker back in my youth. I reckon I've driven a greater variety of vehicles than many blokes on this forum

Oh I don't know... Rob has told me most things ...... And to keep on topic you can talk crutches to me anytime

[Jalfonse]

8Tech said:

The discs are cross drilled standard discs and the wheels are aftermarket. Car is DB9 Volante.

They look great, have you any pics
That show the whole car, pop a couple up! :-)

[8Tech]

Tony V12V said:

Manufacture from core parts or do you find the demand is more you to fit upgraded/ modified OE components? Obviously a lot more modded parts available from many suppliers in the aftermarket for BMW than there is for AM certainly but still interesting I'm sure.

Depends on what I am doing.

Discs inevitably start from cores and we process them. Usually Brembo blanks for the off-the-shelf brakes or we use the blanks used in competition cars for the major upgrades.

BMW's suffer from the dual mass flywheel failures, so we do 1 piece alloy replacements from billet material and can then offer different clutch applications by changing the facing sizes. Some of the older single mass flywheels are barely adequate for the application, (sounds a bit like the AM application!) with them destroying a flywheel every time it needs a clutch, so we make them also.

Only a very small number made as its pretty specialised and far more expensive than a stock replacement. I am more into the over-engineered part than the mass produced, cheap parts.

Hope that helps.

[8Tech]

MollyGTi said:

8Tech said:

As a clutch and flywheel manufacturer myself

That's not a statement you are likely to see every day! I have worked for LuK Clutches & for an independent. For what it's worth (probably not a lot with me being a girl) - when it comes to clutches I was impressed with what I saw at Bamford Rose when Pearl had her upgrade

LuK clutches are a superb aftermarket product, and they also make flywheels too now for the fall-to-bits applications, like Fords. I use them all the time as my preferred supplier for standard replacement parts that go through the workshop.

And what has being a girl got to do with it? Your opinions are as valuable as anyone elses, and more than some!

Edited by 8Tech on Friday 10th January 20:58

[8Tech]

Jalfonse said:

8Tech said:

The discs are cross drilled standard discs and the wheels are aftermarket. Car is DB9 Volante.

They look great, have you any pics
That show the whole car, pop a couple up! :-)

[Jalfonse]

8Tech said:

Looks really good, beautiful car with very well chosen and tasteful mods!

[rickyf1]

After reading all about the various clutch options on pistonheads I settled on this one principally because of the transparent pricing. The clutch hadn't gone yet but the car has done 38k and as it seems to be a keeper (had it for 5 years so far - personal record!) I thought I would treat it to a twin plate clutch and DAE's new ultra light flywheel. I originally asked for the organic clutch but was told that it was not ready for the paying public yet and that I really should consider the sintered as its really not that harsh and should last much longer. 2 weeks later the car is in the workshop and I got a steady stream of photos sent to my phone of the work in progress - interesting to see and very helpful of James Appleby who was doing the job.

the old clutch and flywheel
(James reckoned it had about 10k left in it)



new ultra-light flywheel and sintered twin plate clutch



Car was delivered back to me today and what a difference! The pedal is now much lighter, gear change is much easier (not sure why - perhaps its because you don't have to use all your effort pressing the clutch) and the car revs much more freely. The clutch does feel very different but the take up seems no more harsh than before so for anyone considering a new clutch definitely put the sintered one on your shortlist. Negatives - there's a slight "chatter" sometimes at idle (common to all twin plates) and the revs drop much quicker than before under deceleration making you think its going to stall (it hasn't).
I think that's about it - Hello by the way, after 5 years "lurking" on here this is my first post!

[Jalfonse]

Welcome to the forum (as a contributor) you picked a nice easy topic for your first posting! timing is brilliant also, ahem, joking aside glad your happy with the work and everyone agrees the twin plater is a must have mod whichever supplier you ultimately choose.

[BeauBee]

8Tech said:

I recognise that dude ...that looks suspiciously like SRR
What's the story there then?
Do you have any figures?

[Buster44]

Mine arrived from DAE on Wednesday - getting it fitted by their recommended chap in the South West.