Vantage N430

[SFO]

SP10 items not on N430:
carbon fibre front and rear valances
Sat nav, blue tooth, cruise and 700 Watt audio
Sports exhaust
Sports suspension (not listed for N430 Coupe)

N430 items not on SP10:
lightweight seats
5 exterior colour options
brake caliper colour options
2 interior colour options.

I think SP10 is £1000 more than N430 .. at least for Roadsters.

SP10 is a better deal if you like ceramic grey and black interior.

[hashluck]

Sports Suspension on the N430 if you believe the blurb

"With startling agility derived from quick-ratio steering, sports suspension and stability control N430 is a car of supreme confidence and supreme control."

No mention of Sports Exhaust that I can find.

Sport button unclear

Standard kit is disappointing.

SP10 much much better value if you like the colour scheme (and I should have said I don't want a 'dark' car not a black car - definitely no to a black interior for me though.

So on the face of it, though I like the Alloro Green the N430 is not stacking up since I want all the creature comforts of the S and to be certain my car has all the S bits under the skin!

Edited by hashluck on Thursday 20th February 11:27

[Grant3]

The N430 does feature the Sports suspensions and Sports exhaust from the V8S, I also believe it has the Sport button, but I'll need to double check that as they are all over the place with specs at the moment!

[hashluck]

Hi Grant,

Do you know if you can specify all of the Vantage options on the N430?

That said to add Sat Nav, Cruise and Bluetooth alone is going to be £2.5K so you are halfway to an S without the CF bits and assuming everything else is equal.

So, the question is can you make your N430 into an S spec (albeit at a cost that might end up more than an S) and then it comes down to which colours and trim and seats you prefer.

Residuals would be another question. Both will be bad but is an N430 going to track an S or will one lose less than the other in percentage terms (assuming not too outlandish colour and trim)

Edited by hashluck on Thursday 20th February 11:41

Edited by hashluck on Thursday 20th February 11:42

[jonby]

hashluck said:

Hi Grant,

Do you know if you can specify all of the Vantage options on the N430?

That said to add Sat Nav, Cruise and Bluetooth alone is going to be £2.5K so you are halfway to an S without the CF bits and assuming everything else is equal.

So, the question is can you make your N430 into an S spec (albeit at a cost thst might end up more than an S) and then it comes down to which colours and trim and seats you prefer.

Residuals would be another question. Both will be bad but is an N430 going to track an S or will one lose less than the othe rin percentage terms (assuming not too outlandish colour and trim)

The discounts available on S or SP10 are likely to be higher than those on N430 which slightly muddies the water on depreciation and 'value' comparisons

[Grant3]

jonby said:

Aston's wording leaves more confusion than understanding - it really isn't rocket science. Sometimes the truth is the best way to market a product.............

Hi Jonby,

I do agree, they are rather OTT with the marketing speak, you would think it's an all-new model rather than a parts-bin special - and with the SP10 launched not long ago it is getting rather confusing for the average person to differentiate between the various models - but we are coming at it from an existing owners point of view.

To be fair, V12VS aside, the N430 is presented in the most sporting Vantage configuration as standard, with lightweight seats/wheels, Sports Suspension, Sports Exhaust and V8S grunt, ok it's certainly no all-new stripped out GT3 style road racer, but it does have a more sporting focus than the standard Vantage...off the shelf at a slightly cheaper (lower spec) price !

[Grant3]

hashluck said:

Hi Grant,
Do you know if you can specify all of the Vantage options on the N430?

Here are the N430 option details that A.M. have released....so far...........

Exterior options
- ClubSport Graphics Pack: bespoke painted graphics comprising lipstick, mirror caps, A-pillar/cantrail (Coupe only) and rear diffuser blade offered in the following colours for each exterior livery (standard in UK only)
o Yellow with Alloro Green paintwork
o Grey with Jet Black paintwork
o White with Skyfall Silver paintwork
o Red with Mariana Blue paintwork
o Red with Speedway White paintwork
- Comfort suspension (Coupe only)
- Carbon-Fibre front splitter and rear diffuser
- Carbon-Fibre side strakes
- Carbon-Fibre mirror caps
- Carbon-Fibre rear lamp infills
- Rear parking assist camera
- Front parking sensors

Interior options
- ‘Sportshift II’6 seven-speed automated manual transmission with 4.182:1 final-drive ratio and black magnesium paddleshifts with accent colour
- Heated seats7
- Memory seats and exterior mirrors (three positions)8
- Passenger seat with ISO FIX (fixed height)1
- 700 W Aston Martin Premium Audio System with Dolby® Pro Logic II®
- 1000 W Bang & Olufsen BeoSound audio system with ICEpower® technology featuring black anodised speaker grilles and ALT lenses with accent feature
- Satellite navigation system1
- Cruise control1
- Bluetooth® telephone preparation1
- Auto-dimming interior rear-view mirror1
- Auto-dimming interior rear-view mirror with garage door opener1
- Alarm upgrade (volumetric and tilt sensor)
- Carbon-Fibre door grabs
- Glass switches
- Second glass ECU
- Aston Martin Tracking by Cobra1,3,4
- First aid kit1
- Ashtray and cigar lighter
- Boot-mounted umbrella
- Wind deflector (Roadster only)
- Deletion of ‘N430’ seat embroidery
- Aston Martin wings seat embroidery7
- Black leather ECU pouch

1 Not available in all markets.
2 Does not include side airbags or passenger airbag cut-off switch.
3 Complies with UK Thatcham Category 5 requirements. Excludes subscription. Standard in UK.
4 Cobra is a registered trademark of Cobra Automotive Technologies SpA.
5 iPod® is a trademark of Apple Inc., registered in the US and other countries.
6 ‘Sportshift’ trademark is used under licence from Prodrive (Holdings) Ltd.
7 Not available with lightweight seats.
8 Standard with lightweight seats.

[SFO]

jonby said:

The discounts available on S or SP10 are likely to be higher than those on N430 which slightly muddies the water on depreciation and 'value' comparisons

why is this?

[SFO]

Grant3 said:

The N430 does feature the Sports suspensions and Sports exhaust from the V8S, I also believe it has the Sport button,

with all 3, N430 gets much closer to SP10 spec wise.

[hashluck]

jonby said:

The discounts available on S or SP10 are likely to be higher than those on N430 which slightly muddies the water on depreciation and 'value' comparisons

Good point. So I think where we are getting to is you really have to like the N430 colour, seat, wheel and trim options. If you were going to specify, where available, lots of the black bits on your Vantage or Vantage S (which gets expensive) and wanted the lightweight seats (also expensive) then it could be considered good value. Otherwise the current models are the winner. Actually the real winner here is the SP10 in pure value stakes. None of which helps the poor buyer.

Horses for courses this one. If N430 had Nav, Audio, Bluetooth etc per SP10 it would be much more compelling. As it is I am now confused of AM toe dipping land. Nothing new there. Where's that Maserati brochure? :-)

[hashluck]

So the fact that the ClubSport Graphics are standard in the UK are probably what is causing the confusion as to whether they can be removed as a NCO. Better yet if you could keep, say, the cant rails but ditch the lipstick. If I HAD to have the lipstck that would be a deal breaker for me.

Otherwise this is pure Vantage with Vantage S mechanicals, some black trim and wheels and lightweight seats and some interestng colour schemes. Again, if you like the look of it all is good but it will cost you more than an S to make it an S equivalent. Probably fair enough if you like the way it looks.

Edited by hashluck on Thursday 20th February 12:33

[jonby]

SFO said:

jonby said:

The discounts available on S or SP10 are likely to be higher than those on N430 which slightly muddies the water on depreciation and 'value' comparisons

why is this?

Mainly because S & SP10 aren't new models. There are almost always very healthy discounts available on AMs unless the car is new to the market or extremely limited.

Secondly, chance of finding an N430 in the spec you want, bearing in mind all these colour schemes available for it, as a dealer car are slim so it will probably be a customer specific order which like for like gets much less discount than the same car which happens to be in stock. But there will eb SP10s in 'standard SP10 trim' almost certainly available as dealer stock

And thirdly, N430 seems pretty keenly priced, so less reason to give a discount

[jonby]

hashluck said:

jonby said:

The discounts available on S or SP10 are likely to be higher than those on N430 which slightly muddies the water on depreciation and 'value' comparisons

Good point. So I think where we are getting to is you really have to like the N430 colour, seat, wheel and trim options. If you were going to specify, where available, lots of the black bits on your Vantage or Vantage S (which gets expensive) and wanted the lightweight seats (also expensive) then it could be considered good value. Otherwise the current models are the winner. Actually the real winner here is the SP10 in pure value stakes. None of which helps the poor buyer.

Horses for courses this one. If N430 had Nav, Audio, Bluetooth etc per SP10 it would be much more compelling. As it is I am now confused of AM toe dipping land. Nothing new there. Where's that Maserati brochure? :-)

Unless someone specifically wants the new graphics pack, which is of course a perfectly valid reason, I imagine in the majority of instances you'd be better served buying a dealer specced (unregistered/pre registered/ex demo) V8S, as they have all the dynamics/performance options, better tech spec, CF splitters and can probably be bought for a very good price

For instance this june 2013 registered S coupe with sportshift and 350 miles for £79k
https://used.astonmartin.com/en-GB/Search/Details~...

Many of the cars aren't advertised so your best bet is to contact the nearest few AM dealers to you and ask them for details of all V8S & SP10 cars they have in their group with say less than £5k miles (or those that only have delivery miles). Obviously if transmission or certain colour groups are desired/deal breakers, or if you have a view on lightweight seats, mention that too. I think you'll be surprised how much choice there is and what deals are available

After all, why do you think the N430 has been brought out ? :-)

[SFO]

jonby said:

SFO said:

jonby said:

The discounts available on S or SP10 are likely to be higher than those on N430 which slightly muddies the water on depreciation and 'value' comparisons

why is this?

Mainly because S & SP10 aren't new models. There are almost always very healthy discounts available on AMs unless the car is new to the market or extremely limited.

Secondly, chance of finding an N430 in the spec you want, bearing in mind all these colour schemes available for it, as a dealer car are slim so it will probably be a customer specific order which like for like gets much less discount than the same car which happens to be in stock. But there will eb SP10s in 'standard SP10 trim' almost certainly available as dealer stock

And thirdly, N430 seems pretty keenly priced, so less reason to give a discount

haven't come across many SP10 roadsters in stock ...

[hashluck]

Worry not jonby I know where I am at if I am buying an S. This exercise is all about me understanding exactly what is and is not in an N430 and thus whether it is a better bet for me. My siight rants are around the lack of basic information available (and by this I mean in general not specifically to the N430 which I concede is a new model). I think I am there now.

Your point about cars lightly used or in the system is well taken but truth is there is not a single S Coupe Sportshift that does not have a BLACK interior! I specifically do not want this at any price.

[jonby]

hashluck said:

Worry not jonby I know where I am at if I am buying an S. This exercise is all about me understanding exactly what is and is not in an N430 and thus whether it is a better bet for me. My siight rants are around the lack of basic information available (and by this I mean in general not specifically to the N430 which I concede is a new model). I think I am there now.

Your point about cars lightly used or in the system is well taken but truth is there is not a single S Coupe Sportshift that does not have a BLACK interior! I specifically do not want this at any price.

That is the dilemma many of us on here have faced when buying 'new' car- the huge financial difference between a dealer spec unregistered brand new car and speccing one from the factory to your exact taste. Mikey bought an S roadster to his spec from the factory, still with reasonable discount IIRC. If you haven't already, it's worth hammering down what is available should you go down that route

On exact spec of N430, I think in fairness to AM, the model was only announced yesterday. I and others have given them a bashing on some aspects of the launch but it's not unusual for launches to take a while before full info is available. Although it's not unusual for AMs to be at order stage and still uncertain of what is/isn't standard.....

[Phil74891]

Hashluck, forget the N430 for the moment.......then spec the exact S you want. Take the Spec to your dealer(s) and tell them you want it at the equivalent N430 price. Or.....you're buying a Maserati

[jonby]

SFO said:

jonby said:

SFO said:

jonby said:

The discounts available on S or SP10 are likely to be higher than those on N430 which slightly muddies the water on depreciation and 'value' comparisons

why is this?

Mainly because S & SP10 aren't new models. There are almost always very healthy discounts available on AMs unless the car is new to the market or extremely limited.

Secondly, chance of finding an N430 in the spec you want, bearing in mind all these colour schemes available for it, as a dealer car are slim so it will probably be a customer specific order which like for like gets much less discount than the same car which happens to be in stock. But there will eb SP10s in 'standard SP10 trim' almost certainly available as dealer stock

And thirdly, N430 seems pretty keenly priced, so less reason to give a discount

haven't come across many SP10 roadsters in stock ...

roadster stock in general seems a little low for new/nearly new models

Of course my comments assume you can find a car in stock that suits ! it's not easy as the dealers can't advertise their nearly new stock

[hashluck]

Phil74891 said:

Hashluck, forget the N430 for the moment.......then spec the exact S you want. Take the Spec to your dealer(s) and tell them you want it at the equivalent N430 price. Or.....you're buying a Maserati

Nice idea but if I spec up an N430 per my S spec it costs more than the S. You just end up with a different looking car.

[Phil74891]

"Nice idea but if I spec up an N430 per my S spec it costs more than the S. You just end up with a different looking car."

(Not sure how you reply to a post so it puts a box round the message?)

Hmmmmmmm, even more complicated than I thought. So maybe go back to the S and possibly add the N430 wheels? The CF splitter/difusers do look really good, plus the Sport button is great. The only thing I don't get, is why would you ever turn it off if all it does is make your car worse?

I used to have a PC at work back in the early nineties with a 'turbo' button. If you pressed it the processor ran at 66hz, if you didn't press it, it ran at 33hz. What was the bloody point of that?